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Old 11-07-2007, 07:25 PM
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http://autosafety.org/article.php?scid=112&did=1121

Snip: American Honda spokesman Jeff Smith says the company stands by its warranty program but declined to comment further on Ryan's case because it's pending.

Says Smith: "If a consumer has a leased vehicle warranty issue and wishes to pursue legal action, he or she should pursue remedies allowed under applicable state laws and not under the federal Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act, which, as the highest court in New York state has found, applies to products that are purchased and does not apply to leases."

Snip: But the appellate court unanimously revived the case, rejecting Honda's argument that Magnuson-Moss doesn't apply to lessees.

"We doubt that a dealer who takes title to a new vehicle would pay for that title unless it received the manufacturer's written warranty for the benefit of all the dealer's customers, whether buyer or lessee," Judge Barbara Wecker wrote for the panel. "The warranty is undoubtedly a condition of the transaction that is a basis of the bargain, and the warranty is issued in connection with the manufacturer's original sale of the car to the lessor."
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Nothing Honda does ever suprises me.. But that's because I've never been a Honda Zealot
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Old 11-08-2007, 05:40 AM
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StingerII - 11/7/2007 7:44 PM

Nothing Honda does ever suprises me.. But that's because I've never been a Honda Zealot
Me either, the sad thing is the Accord Hybrid could be a very nice car in only Honda would fix it instead of ignoring the problem. I figure if Honda would do that to their customers that bought the most expensive Honda automobile sold, they would do the same to their marine customers were the price point is much lower as are the profits.
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Old 11-08-2007, 05:53 AM
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john3976 - 11/8/2007 5:40 AM Me either, the sad thing is the Accord Hybrid could be a very nice car in only Honda would fix it instead of ignoring the problem. I figure if Honda would do that to their customers that bought the most expensive Honda automobile sold, they would do the same to their marine customers were the price point is much lower as are the profits.
john - you are apparently not a very good navigator as this is a Boating Forum. Well, maybe you have a little rowboat that you trailer and pull with a Honda Hybrid? Otherwise, why are you taking up space in a Boating Forum with a car problem?
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Old 11-08-2007, 05:58 AM
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First Light - 11/8/2007 5:53 AM

john3976 - 11/8/2007 5:40 AM Me either, the sad thing is the Accord Hybrid could be a very nice car in only Honda would fix it instead of ignoring the problem. I figure if Honda would do that to their customers that bought the most expensive Honda automobile sold, they would do the same to their marine customers were the price point is much lower as are the profits.
john - you are apparently not a very good navigator as this is a Boating Forum. Well, maybe you have a little rowboat that you trailer and pull with a Honda Hybrid? Otherwise, why are you taking up space in a Boating Forum with a car problem?

This is good info, cars, outboards or whatever. Just a inside to how Honda conducts business.



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Old 11-08-2007, 10:04 AM
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Who leases an outboard motor anyway?

I am sure there must be somebody out there that does but not enough to matter. I am not worried.
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Old 11-08-2007, 10:11 AM
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First Light - 11/8/2007 8:53 AM

john3976 - 11/8/2007 5:40 AM Me either, the sad thing is the Accord Hybrid could be a very nice car in only Honda would fix it instead of ignoring the problem. I figure if Honda would do that to their customers that bought the most expensive Honda automobile sold, they would do the same to their marine customers were the price point is much lower as are the profits.
john - you are apparently not a very good navigator as this is a Boating Forum. Well, maybe you have a little rowboat that you trailer and pull with a Honda Hybrid? Otherwise, why are you taking up space in a Boating Forum with a car problem?
Ninety percent of the threads on Dockside Chat have nothing to do with boats or boating. That's why they call it Dockside Chat.

I find it hard to believe that there would be no warranty on a leased vehicle. What would happen to the lessee if their new Honda blew an engine in the middle of the lease period? Better yet, what would happen if the engine let go the day before the lease was up?
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That story was dated May, 2005.
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Flot - 11/8/2007 5:12 PM

That story was dated May, 2005.
So how did it turn out?
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Flot - 11/8/2007 5:12 PM

That story was dated May, 2005.
So how did it turn out?
http://www.appellate.net/briefs/Ryan...CtPetition.pdf

As I read it - frankly the whole thing sounds like garbage to me. Apparently the guy's engine grenaded at 22k miles. Dealership looked at it and said it was due to "External factors" (for instance, this would apply if he ran into something that punctured the oil pan and the engine then siezed) and not warranty. Amazingly - his insurance company agreed, and footed the $8000 bill for engine repairs. AFTER that, the guy decided to sue Honda. Honda's reply was, you can't sue us against the Moss-Mag act because it does not apply to leases. They did not say their warranty did not apply to leases.

Somehow this went on for a few court cases.... despite the fact that the guy's insurance company, apparently, did in fact pay $8k in repairs to his vehicle.
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john3976 - 11/8/2007 9:40 PM

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Nothing Honda does ever suprises me.. But that's because I've never been a Honda Zealot
Me either, the sad thing is the Accord Hybrid could be a very nice car in only Honda would fix it instead of ignoring the problem. I figure if Honda would do that to their customers that bought the most expensive Honda automobile sold, they would do the same to their marine customers were the price point is much lower as are the profits.

Note 1: this is America Honda, not Honda. They are two entirely different companies, different business philosophies. That an American company would pull this crap does not surprise me, either.

Note 2: I read that Honda recently discontinued manf'ring of it hybrid. The sales numbers just weren't there. I wish Toyota would stop too. The hybrid cars pollute more than any other mass produced vehicle, and they introduce a whole new set of safety issues that aren't needed. Anyways, I guess Honda is going to introduce a new, smaller hybrid car next year. I imagine it is somewhere around here so if anyone wants pix of it let me know an I'll drive my Toyota over to a Honda dealership. Note: that would be 'Honda', and not 'America Honda'.

Speaking of new and smaller, put on your seatbelt.... Beginning in 2008 Japan will begin importing a whole new philosophy of cars into America. They are smaller, leaner, less luxurious, more utilitarian but without being just a metal box. I believe Toyota will be the opening act for this new show.

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Flot - 11/8/2007 7:27 PM

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Flot - 11/8/2007 5:12 PM

That story was dated May, 2005.
So how did it turn out?
http://www.appellate.net/briefs/Ryan...CtPetition.pdf

As I read it - frankly the whole thing sounds like garbage to me. Apparently the guy's engine grenaded at 22k miles. Dealership looked at it and said it was due to "External factors" (for instance, this would apply if he ran into something that punctured the oil pan and the engine then siezed) and not warranty. Amazingly - his insurance company agreed, and footed the $8000 bill for engine repairs. AFTER that, the guy decided to sue Honda. Honda's reply was, you can't sue us against the Moss-Mag act because it does not apply to leases. They did not say their warranty did not apply to leases.

Somehow this went on for a few court cases.... despite the fact that the guy's insurance company, apparently, did in fact pay $8k in repairs to his vehicle.
So this guy wanted to collect on his insurance AND have Honda fix the car under warranty? And this makes it all the way to the supreme court?

One word... unbelieveable.
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TN FREEBIRD - 11/8/2007 Ninety percent of the threads on Dockside Chat have nothing to do with boats or boating. That's why they call it Dockside Chat.
Correct. But you are a little slow on the draw. This OP was originally posted in the Boating Forum, and moved by the Moderator to this Forum (the Dockside Forum).

An apparent 2 year old car engine post in the Boating Forum, where it does not belong. Get it?
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TN FREEBIRD - 11/8/2007 Ninety percent of the threads on Dockside Chat have nothing to do with boats or boating. That's why they call it Dockside Chat.
Correct. But you are a little slow on the draw. This OP was originally posted in the Boating Forum, and moved by the Moderator to this Forum (the Dockside Forum).

An apparent 2 year old car engine post in the Boating Forum, where it does not belong. Get it?
Yeah, I get it.

You want to be a moderator when you grow up.
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First Light - 11/8/02007 Correct. But you are a little slow on the draw. This OP was originally posted in the Boating Forum, and moved by the Moderator to this Forum (the Dockside Forum).
OK I give, just how to you tell it's been moved if the only time you see a post it's after it's already been moved ?
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Eyeball - 11/8/2007 4:37 PM

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StingerII - 11/7/2007 7:44 PM

Nothing Honda does ever suprises me.. But that's because I've never been a Honda Zealot
Me either, the sad thing is the Accord Hybrid could be a very nice car in only Honda would fix it instead of ignoring the problem. I figure if Honda would do that to their customers that bought the most expensive Honda automobile sold, they would do the same to their marine customers were the price point is much lower as are the profits.

Note 1: this is America Honda, not Honda. They are two entirely different companies, different business philosophies. That an American company would pull this crap does not surprise me, either.

Note 2: I read that Honda recently discontinued manf'ring of it hybrid. The sales numbers just weren't there. I wish Toyota would stop too. The hybrid cars pollute more than any other mass produced vehicle, and they introduce a whole new set of safety issues that aren't needed. Anyways, I guess Honda is going to introduce a new, smaller hybrid car next year. I imagine it is somewhere around here so if anyone wants pix of it let me know an I'll drive my Toyota over to a Honda dealership. Note: that would be 'Honda', and not 'America Honda'.

Speaking of new and smaller, put on your seatbelt.... Beginning in 2008 Japan will begin importing a whole new philosophy of cars into America. They are smaller, leaner, less luxurious, more utilitarian but without being just a metal box. I believe Toyota will be the opening act for this new show.
Honda Motor Corp (EG: "The whole company") is not without a checkered past. It's just that Consumer Reports readers never dig any further. The Japanese Auto MFG's aren't any "better" than the rest as far as thier business practices, they just hide the truth better. As far as I'm concerned they are all alike.
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obbayer - 11/8/2007 6:22 PM OK I give, just how to you tell it's been moved if the only time you see a post it's after it's already been moved
I guess you have to read the replies - the 4th reply mentions the incorrect Forum twice.
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abbie - 11/8/2007 8:58 AM

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john3976 - 11/8/2007 5:40 AM Me either, the sad thing is the Accord Hybrid could be a very nice car in only Honda would fix it instead of ignoring the problem. I figure if Honda would do that to their customers that bought the most expensive Honda automobile sold, they would do the same to their marine customers were the price point is much lower as are the profits.
john - you are apparently not a very good navigator as this is a Boating Forum. Well, maybe you have a little rowboat that you trailer and pull with a Honda Hybrid? Otherwise, why are you taking up space in a Boating Forum with a car problem?

This is good info, cars, outboards or whatever. Just a inside to how Honda conducts business.


Hey First Light, the above was the fourth response to the original post. Does the fact he quoted you count as the second notice his thread was on the "wrong" forum? Looks like you were the only person who had a problem with his thread.

Did you press the alert button to have a mod move the thread? If so, thanks. Otherwise some of us may have missed it. It was a very interesting read.
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TN FREEBIRD - 11/9/2007 Did you press the alert button to have a mod move the thread? If so, thanks. Otherwise some of us may have missed it. It was a very interesting read.
No I did not press the alert button - I don't even know what that is, but with as much time as you spend on this site I'm sure you would have not misses this thread.
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