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Old 11-01-2007, 05:44 PM
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I am looking to get my Capt. Licence in Florida but another Capt told me to charter grouper trips in federal waters past 9 miles I have to get a special permit or something that cost a few thousand dollors+. Can anyone tell me about that and any other expenses, permits, insurance exc... Thanks. And ant other info or advise would be welcomed.
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Old 01-04-2008, 01:25 PM
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Old question, but, you didn't get an answer, so, here goes.

You would need to get a Gulf of Mexico Charter boat Permit, which, they have a moratorium on. They used to be $70 from NMFS. But, with them not issuing new, you could buy out someone looking to sell. They are stupid high.

You also would need a Coastal Migratory Pelagics Permit, for cobia, shark, king mack, spanish mack, etc...

You could get a Reef Fish permit, although, I am not sure anything other than a GOM Charterboat/Headboat permit and CMP permit would be necessary to "legally" run a charter.

All of the above are on an indefinite moratorium. I think the guy that used to run the charter boat I am running got $10,000 for his pair, (GOM CBHB & CMP), but, that was three years ago. I have seen these prices as low as $3,000 per permit and as high as $8,000 per permit.

I figure with the really restrictive red snapper season and allowable catch, along with the incredible rise in fuel costs, you'll see plenty of boats going for sale with the permits attached to help the sale.

Insurance prices will vary, depending on how much liability you get, but I have seen anywhere from $3750 to $8500 per year. (of course boat size, year, etc.. will also play a role.)

You are also required to have a drug program for your boat. Some folks just buy into something like APCA Maritime Drug Testing to cover that. Something like $50 a year. I just test myself twice a year and keep a copy of the example drug program I downloaded from the CG on the boat and that has passed muster.

I have been running trips as a hired captain and on my own boat since 2000. I am glad I do not have to expect to live of off it. If you owned your house, boat and cars and had absolutely nothing go wrong with any of them or your health, you can make a modest living. If you have a car note, house note, insurance payment, boat note, etc.... I just could not see it making the ends meet, at least to live in the fashion to which I am accustomed, which is distinctly down stairs from high on the hog.

I am lucky that I have a pretty decent "real" job that allows me the time to run the boat when we get charters. I think we had about 50 - 60 trips on the big boat this year down from 70 - 80 last year. I really enjoy being on the water and love hunting fish. It is great that I also have the opportunity to run a pretty nice boat and actually get paid to do it. My boat pay is 61% of my real job pay, so it is obvious I am not running the boat to get rich, just to get enjoyment.

If I could make it financially by running the boat I'd damn sure be doing it though.
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capt_dalton - 1/4/2008 1:25 PM

Old question, but, you didn't get an answer, so, here goes.

You would need to get a Gulf of Mexico Charter boat Permit, which, they have a moratorium on. They used to be $70 from NMFS. But, with them not issuing new, you could buy out someone looking to sell. They are stupid high.

You also would need a Coastal Migratory Pelagics Permit, for cobia, shark, king mack, spanish mack, etc...

You could get a Reef Fish permit, although, I am not sure anything other than a GOM Charterboat/Headboat permit and CMP permit would be necessary to "legally" run a charter.

All of the above are on an indefinite moratorium. I think the guy that used to run the charter boat I am running got $10,000 for his pair, (GOM CBHB & CMP), but, that was three years ago. I have seen these prices as low as $3,000 per permit and as high as $8,000 per permit.

I figure with the really restrictive red snapper season and allowable catch, along with the incredible rise in fuel costs, you'll see plenty of boats going for sale with the permits attached to help the sale.

Insurance prices will vary, depending on how much liability you get, but I have seen anywhere from $3750 to $8500 per year. (of course boat size, year, etc.. will also play a role.)

You are also required to have a drug program for your boat. Some folks just buy into something like APCA Maritime Drug Testing to cover that. Something like $50 a year. I just test myself twice a year and keep a copy of the example drug program I downloaded from the CG on the boat and that has passed muster.

I have been running trips as a hired captain and on my own boat since 2000. I am glad I do not have to expect to live of off it. If you owned your house, boat and cars and had absolutely nothing go wrong with any of them or your health, you can make a modest living. If you have a car note, house note, insurance payment, boat note, etc.... I just could not see it making the ends meet, at least to live in the fashion to which I am accustomed, which is distinctly down stairs from high on the hog.

I am lucky that I have a pretty decent "real" job that allows me the time to run the boat when we get charters. I think we had about 50 - 60 trips on the big boat this year down from 70 - 80 last year. I really enjoy being on the water and love hunting fish. It is great that I also have the opportunity to run a pretty nice boat and actually get paid to do it. My boat pay is 61% of my real job pay, so it is obvious I am not running the boat to get rich, just to get enjoyment.

If I could make it financially by running the boat I'd damn sure be doing it though.
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And you will have to wear a track suit when at the helm.


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