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Old 10-31-2007, 09:17 PM
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Default Do we spend $2.4 trillion to rebuild Iraq, or..

do we spend it in the USA building nuclear, solar and wind power stations?

Iraq or USA?

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Old 10-31-2007, 09:36 PM
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Who is "we"? Arent you in Mexico?...
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Old 10-31-2007, 09:41 PM
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I pay taxes on earned income and capital gains made in the US.

Do you?
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Are you a US Citizen eligible to vote or are you just profiting from our economy?
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Default Re: Do we spend $2.4 trillion to rebuild Iraq, or..

I say we use the money to annex Mexico.

All joking aside Bullshipper, I'll give you my $.02 if you first tell me whether or not you value democracys around the world.
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John_Madison CT - 11/1/2007 3:50 AM

I say we use the money to annex Mexico.

All joking aside Bullshipper, I'll give you my $.02 if you first tell me whether or not you value democracys around the world.
Of course I do, and we have helped them to put a democratic government that is now in place and doing better. But this is the projected cost for the future that came out yesterday on the news services. Can you react to that?

I think that this money would go a long ways to making us stronger, drop the speculation on on current oil prices, stimulate our own economy, and put less money into the hands of those in the middle east that threaten us and friendly neighbors. Reagan beat Russia with his strong economy and military, and I personally think they and the the Chinese are more of a threat to us in the long term. I was just interested in seeing how people felt. Didn't want to make a campain out of it, otherwise this would have gone into the bilge.

Iraq is an oil rich nation that will not lack the funds to help themselves in the manner that they want to, so I feel fee should look to solving our problems with our money.

Sorry this offended some of you. Must be cold already up north.
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I think the $2.4b est is a wild assed guess....and it doesn't consider the economic benefits we will realize if we are successful. Moreover, we are there right now and the economic damage we would suffer if we turned the country over to Iran would be staggering. Lastly, it's not like the money we are spending is simply burned in a fire......how much of that money goes to US soldiers, US companies, vendors, etc? How much would we still be spending on the military even if they were all stateside?

I agree we need to have a Manhatten style project to find alternative energy sources......oops, no we don't......it's called nuclear energy. Good luck getting the ecoterrorist to allow that to happen.
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Old 11-01-2007, 06:11 AM
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Tireless - 11/1/2007 5:59 AM

I think the $2.4b est is a wild assed guess....and it doesn't consider the economic benefits we will realize if we are successful. Moreover, we are there right now and the economic damage we would suffer if we turned the country over to Iran would be staggering. Lastly, it's not like the money we are spending is simply burned in a fire......how much of that money goes to US soldiers, US companies, vendors, etc? How much would we still be spending on the military even if they were all stateside?

I agree we need to have a Manhatten style project to find alternative energy sources......oops, no we don't......it's called nuclear energy. Good luck getting the ecoterrorist to allow that to happen.

I agree with you about Nuclear, and that the war is also a stimulant to our economy.

But the estimate does comes from someone that is in this business, it staggers me, and my experience is that things usually cost more, not less. Who knows?

It also bothers me that people in the south are still having a hard time getting stuff rebuilt from Katrina, and there we are talking billions, not trillions.

Wind and solar are huge capital investments that only make economical sense if taken from a national security stance. Yet once built, their return is assured. If ecology folks can't see the validity of the nuclear alternative now, when??? After we start drilling in Alaska or burn enough sulpher from oil and coal to do us in anyways??

But, investing much more in the arab political systems seems a tad bit riskier to me.
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What country's contractors will be paid to install and manufacture plants and equipment in Iraq (thus pumping money into their economy)?



I agree, the US needs more nuclear power. Not sure wind or solar power is really economically viable on national level. Besides, the environmental extremists would say that the wind mills would kill to many endangered birds and clutter up the environment.
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Old 11-01-2007, 07:18 AM
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I think the Iraq part needs to be divided into two parts..........which part would the US money help and which part won't it help. With the part that it won't help, how much money would it take to help it? Would any amount of money change the opinion of those which hate the US? Investing in Iraq, will that STOP terrorist, the threat of attacks or attacks against the US people? IMO the sad part is, not likely! The way I see it we are talking about a culture that is more then happy to live as their forefathers did 3,000 yrs ago, the influx of US money is only going to salt the wounds that are open.

Next point, how much return could the average American citizen expect to see from that investment? Again the sad part is not a penny!
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Old 11-01-2007, 08:24 AM
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I would cut their sorry @sses off, unless we financed every last reconstruction effort with their own oil. I wouldn't lift another finger to help them without ironclad assurances and lien holds on the oil to repay us for every last dollar we've spent. Otherwise I'd throw their @ss under the bus, and say good luck to you. Put another sh!t-head like Saddam in power, and we will wipe your @ss out in two weeks time, and pull out again. No more policing, just war-mongering. Get use to it.

As far as domestic energy, cut the social programs by 40%, and throw that plus another half trillion at development. With all the waste in government, you should be able to wring 40% out without seriously affecting the end result. Caveat is that government funded research gets paid back out of royalties. Within five years we would be energy independent, and have a steady stream of income from our public owned IP. We can then tell Saudia Arabia and the rest of OPEC to kiss our keisters. I agree China is a far bigger concern that podunk wanna be countries like Iran and Iraq. Give us energy independence, make their oil worth next to nothing and they won't be much of a problem.

Next step is to merge with Mexico and Canada. Anyone who has played RISK knows you need them too.


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Old 11-01-2007, 12:41 PM
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You guys are right - Greenspan says why lie about it - its all about the oil. Has nothing to do with any flaming liberal Wilsonian ideal of spreading democracy who the hell are they trying to fool....screw the camel jockies they HATE us always did always will. They are born and bred to hate anyone not in their Sect - in fact they hate each other. Screw this give the isrealis 40 billion and let the Saudis buy 40 Bil of weapons from us - If we realy wanted Bin Laden we'd tell our dear friends the Saudis they got 10 days to hand him over or we bomb the crap outta them. Then we tell out other dear friends the Israelis to give back the occupied terratories. Its all about the oil....
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Old 11-02-2007, 09:55 PM
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What do you mean Merger with Mexico --- 10-20 millon are in the US Mexicans have invaded the US w/o firing a shot and are taking over the Country---State by State---- Thanks God -- there is an ocean between US and China
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