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Old 10-31-2007, 08:06 AM
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I was just wondering how things work in other parts of the country as to who pumps fuel into your boat in a marina. Here in TN, there seems to be some confusion as to liability when it comes to boat owners pumping fuel themselves.

My present marina requires marina personnel to pump fuel per their insurance requirements. They say they have to pump the fuel to protect their "clean marina" status as well. Another marina where I used to keep a boat requires the boat owner to pump the fuel while also citing insurance requirements. It would seem that a marina employee filled a waste holding tank with gasoline a while back and now they require the boat owner to pump their own fuel.

How does this work where you buy fuel?
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Old 10-31-2007, 08:20 AM
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I pulled into the regular pump.........
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Old 10-31-2007, 08:49 AM
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Both ways.Before fueling,I break out a bottle of Dawn for the just in case.If any fuel goes overboard,a couple shots of dawn and it takes care of that problem that you don't want the uscg to see.
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Old 10-31-2007, 08:54 AM
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Don't let anybody see you using that Dawn as it would draw a stiffer penalty than a small fuel spill alone.
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Old 10-31-2007, 10:11 AM
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I pull in and they hand me the nozzle.

Not sure if that is what is required.

I know that they do not want me to use the auto fill feature on the nozzle.

Haven't pumped into a rod holder yet!
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Old 10-31-2007, 10:13 AM
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id tell you all about how i fuel my boat myself but the last time i brought it up KJS and i battled the hall monitors and safety police for 13 pages....BTW..i dont spill a drop
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Old 10-31-2007, 10:16 AM
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Don't let anybody see you using that Dawn as it would draw a stiffer penalty than a small fuel spill alone.
Why is that?

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Old 10-31-2007, 10:38 AM
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Owner has to pump here.

But dockhand does the waste pump out!

Fair swap as far as I'm concerned!
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Don't let anybody see you using that Dawn as it would draw a stiffer penalty than a small fuel spill alone.
Why is that?
Any man made substance put into the water can be considered a pollutant. The reason Dawn is considered bad is because, it does break up the fuel but it breaks it up into fine droplets and causes it to sink to the bottom where the sun can not break it up... It takes much longer for the fuel to break down away from sunshine and wind.
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Don't let anybody see you using that Dawn as it would draw a stiffer penalty than a small fuel spill alone.
Why is that?
Cracker's answer was right on as to Dawn taking the fuel to the bottom.

Many attendants at marinas will ask how much fuel your tank will hold before they begin to pump or allow you to, especially in a larger boat. Some of these guys will panic if they see any fuel come out of the vents, but they are on the hook for fines over such things as well. Most of the time you can hear a change in the sound from a vent to let you know you're almost full.
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Old 10-31-2007, 11:43 PM
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Fuel at a marina? Where it costs more? I fill up at the same gas station I get my truck fuel at.

The few times I do fill up at a marina I do so carefully. I have always had to pump myself. I estimate the amount of fuel the tank can hold and then pump about 90% of that amount. This way I never spill a drop. As a trailer boater it is usually not necessary to top the tank off on the water.

If you do spill gas, you can try to mop it up with one of those bilge sock things. But gas breaks down pretty fast. Diesel on the other hand lingers longer.

As a safety measure I take a bilge sock thing and wrap it around the filling nozzle. If fuel does splash out it should get soaked up. Should.

Pretty much I honestly try my very best to not spill any gas. I like the bay and I like to fish and so on. I do not want to dump pollutants into the water and sit back and laugh about it like it is some sort of joke. But if I do spill a drop or two of gas I do not feel like a criminal.
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Old 11-01-2007, 05:47 AM
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lazy.....i share your attitude........what i did is take a dark room tray and cut a hole in it ...through which i put a large funnel.....very rare when a drop of gas hits the water......if i think i am topping up i have a plastic bottle that fits in the overflow..........any gas that hits the water i leave alone.....the best thing is to just let it flash off.....any detergent will hide it but is actually worse for the water
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Old 11-01-2007, 07:04 AM
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I wish I had the option of trailering my boats, but I don't. One thing that many marinas are using is a suction cup equipped catch bottle that sticks on your hull below the vent for the fuel line.

I haven't run across one of those to purchase, but I will get one. There's really no excuse for overfilling a tank to the point it would come out above the fill neck, so the catch bottle should be fine. Speaking of fines, you can find yourself in one heck of a mess if a CG guy spots you spilling fuel. In fact, the marinas are obligated to notify them if you spill more than a specified amount of fuel. I don't know how much it takes, but apparently not very much.
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I pulled into the regular pump.........
Great Fillin' Station Holdup - Jimmy Buffett.

Oops that's another thread
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Rule of thumb is one teaspoonful - so basically spilling any fuel can be an issue.
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I'm not talking about how much it would take to get the Coastie's attention, but how much of a spill a marina operator is obligated to report. It doesn't even take a teaspoonful to create a sheen on the water, and technically you can be fined for that.
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96whaler - 10/31/2007 11:20 AM

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I pulled into the regular pump.........
Great Fillin' Station Holdup - Jimmy Buffett.

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Old 11-01-2007, 01:42 PM
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Those suction cup bottles are designed to catch fuel that spits out of the vent on the outside of the hull. I had one, but I can not really use it anymore. The current boat has a venting gas cap thing.

The problem with the current boat is that it tends to overflow when filling up. Since I fill up on land this is only a minor problem. By the time the pump auto shut off kicks in, gas is overflowing. Not much - but it would be a large slick at a marina.

I keep my tanks full to prevent condensation causing water in the gas - so there is never really a need to fill up on the water - except for when I go to the West Coast of FL for a week and rent a wet slip for that time. In these cases I know that each tank holds 27.5 gallons. So each 1/4 mark on the fuel gauge represents 6 gallons. If the fuel gauge reads 1/2, then 12 gallons should full it up - so I would pump about 10 gallons to prevent a spill.
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Cracker - 10/31/2007 10:42 AM

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TN FREEBIRD - 10/31/2007 8:54 AM

Don't let anybody see you using that Dawn as it would draw a stiffer penalty than a small fuel spill alone.
Why is that?
Any man made substance put into the water can be considered a pollutant. The reason Dawn is considered bad is because, it does break up the fuel but it breaks it up into fine droplets and causes it to sink to the bottom where the sun can not break it up... It takes much longer for the fuel to break down away from sunshine and wind.
At least half the boats in our marine wash their boats using Dawn as it's advertised as being largely bio-degradable.
And you can bet there's a lot more that a few drops of Dawn in each bucket.
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using soap as soap is OK.

Using soap as a "dispersing agent" is against the law.
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