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Old 10-29-2007, 06:14 PM
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Hi Guys,

I finally bought my dream truck. 2004 Super Crew Ford F250 with a diesel.
I took her on a long drive over the weekend and got 19 MPG on the highway. Although this is probably really good mileage. I have read a few articles on how to make a diesel have more power and increase the MPG....
Does anyone have info on Cold air intakes, Diesel exhaust, or Turbo Intercoolers?
I am not really interested in increasing the HP but would like to add a few upgrades to the truck and maybe in return get a few more MPG's out of her.
I won't be towing anything for now and will be using the truck to go back and forth to my boat.. ( 85 miles each way)
Also how ofter should you change the oil on a diesel? I had a Viking with twin 671's and would change the oil every 50 hours but not really sure how often in a truck...

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Old 10-29-2007, 06:23 PM
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Can't help you with upgrades. I run a Cummins HO and it has all I need. Most of the upgrades I've heard about increase HP/torque but not milage.
I change oil at 3000 miles and use Rotella oil exclusively. It is formulated for diesel service.
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Old 10-29-2007, 06:26 PM
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I have heard alot about Rotella. I guess it it pretty good stuff.
What makes it better that regular oil?
I guess changing every 3k can get pretty expensive considering my dealer charges $116.00 for an oil change.
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Visit www.thedieselstop.com
www.bankspower.com
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I just put a banks High ram and a Cold air intake, and Monster exhaust on the truck......
Was a great awakening for the low end power..... check out the sites.....
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i have the same truck as you.i change my oil every 10k miles some say it's to long i dont think so it holds 12 quarts.second if you want better milage 2 things you can do.first K&N filter,second 3 inch exhaust front to rear.if you want a little more power get you a chip i have one cuz i tow so far when i do tow plus i drive 400 miles every other weekend pulling some kind of trailer.
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J,
Tommy has some good points one thing I would add is most guys use 4 inch pipe in an aftermarket exhaust I think the stock is 3 inch...
Also, Diablo, Quadzilla, Banks all have "Chips" little power boost for your truck check them out... but first get your, Exhaust, And Intake upgraded...
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Old 10-29-2007, 08:06 PM
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I would tend to stay away from the oil impregnated air filters such as K&N. The dry paper filters work better for diesels and will filter particulates just as well or better than a K&N. I had a K&N on my 97 F350 for a short while and after seeing a bit of dust mixed with oil on the intake tube it was promptly replaced with an AFE dry paper element, no more dust or oil. Thats just my first hand experience but the guys at thedieselstop.com (Ford) and dieseltruckresource.com (Dodge) will mostly say the same thing.

Also, my old 97 F350 had nothing but Rotella oil in it and she ran like a top, stayed clean between changes and held it's viscosity. Very important for diesels to keep turbos cool and lubed (some fire the injectors off of oil pressure like the old Navistar 7.3) My new truck will get Rotella in it also, she will be due for her first oil change this week. They grow up so fast ......
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If you put a chip in that motor, you may as well go down to the Service Dept at your local dealer and give him $6000 now. That will cover the head gaskets, new turbo and EGR cooler that will soon (in about 4000 miles) get destroyed.
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Thanks for all the great info.

I will start with a new filter and exhaust.
I will probably stay away from the chip. Mainly because I don't need to pull anything and the extra HP isn't really needed...

I am going to get the exhaust ASAP...
I'll let you know how it turnes out.....

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Old 10-30-2007, 05:03 AM
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You really ought to do a cost/benifit analysis on all these goodies. Bet the payback in increased fuel mpg wont justify the outlay. But then it's really just a big toy and loves bling. My bling funds tend to go into boats.
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Old 10-30-2007, 10:22 AM
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Jbonnet.
I have a 2005 6.0 CC Lariat and love it but it must be maintained properly. Don't get an aftermarket air filter. The stock Donaldson (sp) that was installed at the factory is great. It will hold something like 3 lbs of dirt before it needs to be changed and will not "dust" your turbo like K&N and other after market filters. It also flows enough air to handle extreme mods, don't replace it. Next, change your filters (oil and Fuel). The 6.0 shears oil and the oil must be changed on time or every 5,000 miles. Use only Motorcraft or Fram filters. Racor makes the same filter for Motorcraft and Fram (same pat #). Fuel filters must be changed every 15,000 miles or earlier with questionalble fuel.
Now for mods, get a good set of gauges (pyro, trans, and boost are the popular choices). Next, a 4" exhaust. Either turbo back or Cat back. If you are looking for a reliable tuner than the SCT Cal II is the choice and they will make custom tunes for your specific application (towing, economy, race, ect...).
If your truck was used, you can get an Oaisis report from the web site listed below. That report will note every service completed from ford.
The best web site with a great Tech folder is FTE.com or FordTruckEnthusists.com. Scroll down to the diesel section then select your model year. A ton of information and when great deals come up you'll learn about it there.
PM me if you have more questions or need more help.
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JBonnet,
The mods that I have done to my 04 F-250 6.0 Supercrew 4x4 106,000 great miles

Bullydog Triple Dog Combo
Bullydog Fluid Dampener
AFE intake
MBRP 4-inch exhaust with the power tube to delete converter

I chose the bullydog combo so if I purchase another manufac. product it is changeable and able to monitor the exhaust temp etc. and shift on the fly from normal,towing, performance,extreme.The key to these turbos life is not shutting it down after pulling a load and cooking it.Seen my exhaust before get up to 1100 pulling the boat in the summer better to let it idle a couple minutes and come back down to 350-400 before shutting off.

The Dampener does not help just less vibrations for the crank and bearings.Intake helped out at low end aswell the exhaust would not recommend going to the 5in. for the space between the downtube out of the turbo and firewall.

Mobil 1 Full Synthetic 15-40 is what I run it is expensive but I attended a hydraulic class one time and they used motor oil as a reference in the full synethic every molecule is the same.Where the half blends is not the case.Rotella is a good oil and many big trucks on the road is what they swear buy.

Congrats on your dream truck and keep us posted on the changes you make.


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Thanks for all the great info.
I searched on line for a way to get an oasis report and found many people who had gotten them but, no way for me to get one.
If I give you my vin # can you help me out?
I bought the truck from a reputable dealer and they gave me a list of all the service that they performed. Oil change, Trans fluid flush, Coolant flush and replaced the front sway bar bushings and links.
I have known the sales person for quite some time and he told me that the guy who owned the truck passed away and his wife had brought it to them to sell. The guy used the truck to pull a small bass boat and to go hunting with. One of the mechanics came out ot the shop as I was pulling away and told me he personally knew the guy and he had taken great care of the truck.
The truck has 88k on it and still has some factory warranty left.
The first thing I want to add is a exhaust. Any suggestions? Banks ect...

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Jbonnet.
I have a 2005 6.0 CC Lariat and love it but it must be maintained properly. Don't get an aftermarket air filter. The stock Donaldson (sp) that was installed at the factory is great. It will hold something like 3 lbs of dirt before it needs to be changed and will not "dust" your turbo like K&N and other after market filters. It also flows enough air to handle extreme mods, don't replace it. Next, change your filters (oil and Fuel). The 6.0 shears oil and the oil must be changed on time or every 5,000 miles. Use only Motorcraft or Fram filters. Racor makes the same filter for Motorcraft and Fram (same pat #). Fuel filters must be changed every 15,000 miles or earlier with questionalble fuel.
Now for mods, get a good set of gauges (pyro, trans, and boost are the popular choices). Next, a 4" exhaust. Either turbo back or Cat back. If you are looking for a reliable tuner than the SCT Cal II is the choice and they will make custom tunes for your specific application (towing, economy, race, ect...).
If your truck was used, you can get an Oaisis report from the web site listed below. That report will note every service completed from ford.
The best web site with a great Tech folder is FTE.com or FordTruckEnthusists.com. Scroll down to the diesel section then select your model year. A ton of information and when great deals come up you'll learn about it there.
PM me if you have more questions or need more help.

This is the best advice so far!!!

Take him up on his offer and shoot him a pm.

Guages should ALWAYS be the first mod.

You really don't want to cook a $10,000 engine.






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Old 10-31-2007, 09:17 AM
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Here is a link to get the Oasis report. Check out the "03-07 6.0 forum", more accuate info there than anywhere else. Good luck and enjoy the truck.
http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/60...st-thread.html
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Gauges First!

very easy to put in gauges. The boost gauge vacuum line for the gauge can be installed right into the map sensor on the turbo. Secondly, a pyrometer is also a huge need before throwing any power at that motor.

Another thing to think about, getting a chip is good and lets face it, its not hugely detrimental to the motor. Your motor will not blow up and your heads will not come off the truck. People put a lot more horsepower then this into these trucks and they stay together. As for a chip, make sure whatever you get has trans tuning as well. All that power goes to the trans and if not tuned correctly the trans basically says WTF?
On a 6.0 you should look into a few things. First of all, as far as im concerned, AFE makes the best damn intakes money can buy. I love mine. Secondly, its a diesel, diesels dont operate on backpressure like most people would think. Kind of the same reason that when you lay off the gas on a diesel it doesnt start to decrease speed like a gas motor. For that reason you may want to think about a bigger exhaust. Stock exhaust on that truck is 3.5". I would tell you to look into deleting the cat. THis will help you run lower egt's while putting down more power. 4" MBRP exhaust is about the norm. Most people I know run a 5" kit on the truck and you will consistently see higher boost numbers because of the lack of backpressure and free flowing exhaust. Remember, when buying an exhaust yo should also look into changing the downpipe, a 5" exhaust with a 3" downpipe is kind of counteractive.

These motors can usually handle power easily up into the 500 range and still be reliable. Over 500 and you will start to see the motor becomes needy. If you tow a lot, do yourself a favor and save your brakes and look into a pac brake or sp diesel brake etc. There are a few different kinds of exhaust brake, some work off of the EBPV valve already built into the motor, some work off of a butterfly valve and are a lot better overall.

Any questions, let me know, more then happy to help.

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A ford 6.0 at 500 HP not without alot more work like head studs... and loads more.... They have proven to be fords worst motor to throw power at....
I would be very careful putting power to one.... A small chip 60 - 80 - 100 HP sure, anything more than that get a different motor.....
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I was looking at the pipe that goes from the turbo to the intercooler and there is oil on the rubber hoses at both ends. Is this normal?
I wiped it off with some degreaser. That was the only place that I saw any kind of build up....
I am looking into a set of gauges that go on the pillar. I went to the summit web sirte and found a few different brands. Does anyone make a set that comes with the same trim color on my truck?
Thanks again for all of the helpful advice
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