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Old 10-27-2007, 07:34 PM
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You always hear that tithing - giving 10% of your net income, is a reasonable level of giving.

I have three children and about to have two in college and have the third in a private middle school.

A long time ago I had set 10% as a target giving level before I retired but with the schooling, housing and boat expenses and all, I just can't see being able to give at that level - probably not until after retirement, when it will be worth less based on income.

Anyone here manage to do it?
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Old 10-27-2007, 08:30 PM
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you should consider setting up a charitable remainder trust, or using some other charitable trust so that you can arrange to leave more to charity after you die than you can afford to leave now.
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Old 10-27-2007, 09:18 PM
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Menzies - 10/27/2007 7:34 PM

You always hear that tithing - giving 10% of your net income, is a reasonable level of giving.

I have three children and about to have two in college and have the third in a private middle school.

A long time ago I had set 10% as a target giving level before I retired but with the schooling, housing and boat expenses and all, I just can't see being able to give at that level - probably not until after retirement, when it will be worth less based on income.

Anyone here manage to do it?

I'm in the same boat Menzies almost. Just put my oldest into private middle school last year getting ready for my son next year to join his sister. Had to reduce amount to charities.
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Old 10-28-2007, 05:59 AM
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Menzies - 10/28/2007 11:34 AM

Anyone here manage to do it?

No an appropriate question. It is right up there with 'how much money do you make?"

Fwiw, I subscribe to the idea that charity isn't charity unless it is anonymous, so it is not something I am open to discussion.





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Old 10-28-2007, 06:13 AM
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Oh you're giving 10% and then some. It no longer is voluntary however. Congress takes care of it for all of us, just check out where your tax dollars go.
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Old 10-28-2007, 06:14 AM
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Eyeball - 10/28/2007 8:59 AM

Menzies - 10/28/2007 11:34 AM

Anyone here manage to do it?

No an appropriate question. It is right up there with 'how much money do you make?"

Fwiw, I subscribe to the idea that charity isn't charity unless it is anonymous, so it is not something I am open to discussion.
Well first, why bother responding

Secondly I personally believe what you "subscibe to" is horribly askew. It is up to the donor to decide on how anonymous he/she wants to be but quite frankly I believe the more open the better.

Look at what the Gates and Buffett are doing at the higher end of the scale. The Weavers here in Jax, or all those people who challenge others to match gifts for local non-profits like radio stations, Sally Army etc.

Same with blood donors. I hope everyone who gives blood boasts loud and clear about it to encourage others to think about it.

Charitable giving should not be hidden, it should be celebrated and shouted from the rooftops. People should feel good about giving and when you feel good, share it.
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Menzies - 10/28/2007 10:14 PM

Charitable giving should not be hidden, it should be celebrated and shouted from the rooftops. People should feel good about giving and when you feel good, share it.

Then it's not "charity". You are buying for yourself the right to brag before others of lessor means. What's going on in your life that you can't "give" for the sake of "giving" and let it go at that??? "Giving" means it is not yours anymore...not yours to spend, not yours to gloat over, not yours to wallow in, not yours to come onto this or any other forum and brag about. What part of "it is not yours anymore" isn't clicking with you? True charity goes sight-unseen. You don't even know when it happens or how it happened. It has nothing to do with you.

Fwiw, I am aware that McDonalds advertises their "charity". That's not "charity"...giving for the sake of giving to help others. It is buying bragging rights and marketability...like you are doing in this thread. You are bragging, first and foremost. Wouldn't be surprised to find out you never gave a single dime in your life.



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Menzies - 10/28/2007 6:14 AM

Eyeball - 10/28/2007 8:59 AM

Menzies - 10/28/2007 11:34 AM

Anyone here manage to do it?

No an appropriate question. It is right up there with 'how much money do you make?"

Fwiw, I subscribe to the idea that charity isn't charity unless it is anonymous, so it is not something I am open to discussion.
Well first, why bother responding

Secondly I personally believe what you "subscibe to" is horribly askew. It is up to the donor to decide on how anonymous he/she wants to be but quite frankly I believe the more open the better.

Look at what the Gates and Buffett are doing at the higher end of the scale. The Weavers here in Jax, or all those people who challenge others to match gifts for local non-profits like radio stations, Sally Army etc.

Same with blood donors. I hope everyone who gives blood boasts loud and clear about it to encourage others to think about it.

Charitable giving should not be hidden, it should be celebrated and shouted from the rooftops. People should feel good about giving and when you feel good, share it.

you know if you don't give 10% your not gettin' in

gates and buffet can afford to give what they do. look how many got trampled to get where they are. that unfortunatly is not funny.

but i think everone should give what they can to whomever they wish. if they want to be annonomous good. the others who challenge to give because they did and tell how much are just showing off. if i had a couple of million to dump every year to avoid the tax man i would too.
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Old 10-28-2007, 10:44 AM
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Eyeball - 10/28/2007 9:50 AM

Wouldn't be surprised to find out you never gave a single dime in your life.
So you think people shouldn't "brag" about their giving, but think it's OK to accuse people of not giving.

Got it.
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Menzies - 10/28/2007 10:44 AM

Eyeball - 10/28/2007 9:50 AM

Wouldn't be surprised to find out you never gave a single dime in your life.
So you think people shouldn't "brag" about their giving, but think it's OK to accuse people of not giving.

Got it.

Menzies,

Foorget Eyeball. You didn't say, "I make millions, what should I do with it in regards to charity"! He is a PUDDING STICK!

I don't have your answer, but you should do what you think is right for you and your family, at this point in your life.

Your giving should be a family decision. No one, no one, like Eyeballs should give you any sh!t.


Eyeball, read Atlas Shrugged, by Ayn Rand, and see what happens when other entities give one group some crap about giving and taxation!
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Reel Boobs - 10/28/2007 4:28 PM
Menzies - 10/28/2007 10:44 AM
Eyeball - 10/28/2007 9:50 AM Wouldn't be surprised to find out you never gave a single dime in your life.
So you think people shouldn't "brag" about their giving, but think it's OK to accuse people of not giving. Got it.
Menzies, Foorget Eyeball. You didn't say, "I make millions, what should I do with it in regards to charity"! He is a PUDDING STICK! I don't have your answer, but you should do what you think is right for you and your family, at this point in your life. Your giving should be a family decision. No one, no one, like Eyeballs should give you any sh!t. Eyeball, read Atlas Shrugged, by Ayn Rand, and see what happens when other entities give one group some crap about giving and taxation!
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Old 10-28-2007, 05:24 PM
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Reel Boobs - 10/29/2007 8:28 AM

... you should do what you think is right for you and your family, at this point in your life.


I agree with you. But that's not what Menzies does. He uses this boating forum for bragging. He wants you to buy into and be impressed with the idea that he gives 10% to anything. I doubt it. People like Menzies are a dime a dozen. We can see them coming before they even know they are going somewhere. That's why Menzies didn't just ask, "anyone able to hit their charitable contributions goals recently?" That would not allow him to brag, to see himself reflected as the big man on campus. And that is what his post is all about, his need to see himself reflected in his post.

Honestly, I doubt he donates anything, or if he does, it is because he was made to, one way or the other. I could be wrong, but it is unlikely. Like I said, people like Menzies are cheap, common, and well understood.

The good news is that for every person like Menzies there are a lot more people that quietly give a thousand times more in a hundred different ways, and never mention word one about it or sending their kids to private schools or traveling all over wherever... And Reel Boobs, you are absolutely correct; charity is not 10%; it is what you can, when you can; something YOU need to be comfortable with. But anyone that needs to see yourself as the big man on campus, by all means, come onto the board and brag about your 10% or whatever.

Why am I so sure the following is going to be lost on Mr. Shouting From The Roof Top?!? Princess Diana was well known for her work with charities. I don’t know what she actually did for them, or if she actually contributed any monetary support, but she was certainly there for the photo ops (shouting from the roof top). Everyone knows Princess Diana died on Oct 31, 1997. Not everyone knows that quietly, 5 days later on Sept 5, 1997 while the whole world was still morning the loss of another photo op with the princess of charity, the Lord quietly took home the dinosaur of charity, Agnes Bojaxhiu, aka Mother Teresa. I think she might have been Catholic, not sure. I am sure she knew what charity was. I find it ironic that the ones most effective with charity are the least visible in their contribution.

Now this is the part where Mr Shouting From The Roof Top Menzies, gets to tell us all about his charitable contributions…



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Eyeball - 10/28/2007 8:24 PM

I agree with you. But that's not what Menzies does. He uses this boating forum for bragging. He wants you to buy into and be impressed with the idea that he gives 10% to anything. I doubt it.
Stopped reading right there, as will anyone who actually read my original post.

Good job.
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This is an odd question to say the very least........the answer to which I couldn't care less about.

I have a more pressing concern.....apparently the price of Grey Poupon has skyrocketed.......how do people manage buying that stuff?








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Old 10-28-2007, 07:19 PM
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Menses is as full of sh!t as a Christmas goose. A charitable man wouldn't come on a boating forum and badmouth what brand of boat another boater has.
Eyeball has him down to a tee.

Now, pass the Grey Poupon please
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Old 10-29-2007, 04:38 AM
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redwing285 - 10/28/2007 7:19 PM Menses is as full of sh!t as a Christmas goose. A charitable man wouldn't come on a boating forum and badmouth what brand of boat another boater has. Eyeball has him down to a tee. Now, pass the Grey Poupon please
Dang, boys, didn't mean to step in PooPoon.

I thought it was an odd subject for a post too, but I still did not feel any compulsion to come back and detail all of Mr. Menzies supposed shortcomings whichmight beinferred froma forensic pop-psychological examination of his post.

Eyeball, yer doin' way too much thinkin here.

Gimme some O'that Poupon.
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Ever heard of humility
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Hell yeah, nobody's got more humilty than ME! Humble is my middle name. They call me Mr. Humble. Don't talk to me about humble, I was humble before humble was cool! I am the MOST humble person on this forum! I know humble. I been humble all my life. My whole family is humble. I came from humble beginnings. My friends are all humble.




I just don't care if Menzies is humble or not, or if he can or really does give to charity, or whether he is trying to brag about it.

I think we should all try to clean this PooPoon off our shoes now.
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I repectfully disagree....I am the most humble man that ever walked on the planet. If you don't believe....ask me again, I am always correct.
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Come on... If you really wanted to tithe, you would learn to live on 90% of what you earn. It is not like you are having troubles meeting your basic needs.
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