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Old 10-01-2007, 04:55 PM
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Well it looks like our 10 year old Lexmark Laser printer took a crapper and its time to replace it. Does anyone have any experience with office quality printers? Laser black only. The new printer needs to be able to chuck out print jobs on both sides of the paperat a decent rate. Actually our old Lexmark did a good job with this. I think that the option is called a duplexer.

We have smaller (under $400) printers that just don't cut it speed wise. Any suggestions on brands and models? Places to buy? Is HP considered the benchmark these days?

Because of our location it is very hard for me to go to stores and check them out.


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Old 10-01-2007, 05:24 PM
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HP Laserjet--industry standard. We've got some of the larger networked HP's (4000's, 4500's) that have literally hundred of thousands of jobs run through..all day every day, and they just keep going. Find a few model numbers in your price range either from your local office supply guy or from an Insight or CDW (they'll be cheaper) and find the ones that have been on the market for a few years. They'll keep making the cartridges and maintenance parts for them forever. The HP 4350 is relatively newer one ( I think they still make) that I would recomend that you can get with extra paper trays and does duplexings natively. You can even print legal quality checks on them if you get MICR toner (it is harder to erase than regular toner)--we do.

Unfortuantely, we have gone to all dell's (rebranded lexmarks) mostly and the consumables costs are eating our lunch, so I wouldn't recomend those, They break a lot as well. If possible, stay away from refurbed consumables too, they cause more harm than good.
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Old 10-01-2007, 05:48 PM
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Hi Joe,

I thought you were going to tell me to get a Apple printer [img]../images/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/img]........thanks for your help. [img]../images/emoticons/thumbsup.gif[/img]

What do you mean by duplexing natively? Is a $1000-$1300 a realistic budget? I figure about 4500-6000 pages per month. Needs to be networkcapable(no print server) How does printer memory effect the speed(or does it)?

Not worried about printing checks and2-3 paper trayswould suffice.

Dells printers are toys......(atleast the 3 that I have). I agree on the cartridges. And you have to get them at Dell only and they suck em up dry pretty quick.

I do have a 5-6 year old laser jet HP 1100........it works fast, quality is good except when you do a larger print job it gets hot and then it prints crappy.

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Old 10-01-2007, 06:21 PM
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IMO the Lexmark products of 10-years ago were better than the Lexmark offerings of today. I mean that in the sense that 10-years ago Lexmark really stood out above the others, even above HP. Today Lexmark impress me as just another printer.

I was in your shoes a couple years ago. I opted for a Xerox WorkCentre PE 120. It has proved itself a very dependable, very robust machine. The quality of the Xerox product exceeded my expectations. We actually tossed our old fax machine, too, tho it was still working. The Xerox WorkCentre fax functions are solid.

The copier function are obviously going to be solid, too. Nice feature: two sided documents copied to a single sided page, i.e. if you need to copy both sides of a check it puts it on a single page.

I believe the PE 120 model may have been replaced with the WorkCentre PE 220. There should be a $60 option to have the thing integrate into your LAN via Ethernet CAT 5 connection, otherwise you depend on either USB2 or the good old parallel printing port.

http://www.office.xerox.com/multifun...e220/enus.html

Weird, but it is a b/w laser printer but the scanning function works in color. We use it for document scanning and often use the OCR to transfer scanned paper documents into MS Word text files. I do not think the included scanner software is flexible enough to consider the WorkCentre’s scanner function for hi-end art scanning. But it is a no-brainer for document needs. (Note: scanning functions do not work thru the printer’s parallel port, only thru LAN or USB connections or you can scan to a memory stick card for transfer to wherever.)

Anyway, a few years ago I decided to reduce stress and increase dependability by getting away from the masses and go with the products of companies with a solid, proven record for what they offer to businesses. It’s that whole “you don’t go to dentist to have the oil in your car changed” thing. I opted for IBM for my computing needs and Xerox for printing/scanning/fax/copying needs. And I have never looked back, best decision I have made.



Edit: I just noticed the PE 220 is $325. A couple years ago we paid (I think) $550 for the PE 120, not including the optional $60 LAN Ethernet card.

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Old 10-01-2007, 06:40 PM
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Eyeball,

I appreciate the advice. Never even thought of Xerox, but Iwillcheck them out.

We already have an 2-all in one for faxes,copies and color printing and its a Dell.They areatoy really, but it suffices for the amount it gets used. We got them cheap(literally nothing)thru our UPS shipping account..........they give business's subsides for office equipment and the Dells were on the short list of stuff we could spend the money on. I think UPS and Dell were in cahoots though with the cartridges.I don't normally complain about $$, but those things add upespecially at the very short rate that they last.

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don't skimp on printer memory if you ever have any large jobs. HP is very tough to beat, lexmark ok, and xerox IMO is tops if you are looking for a multi purpose machine. This is an unscientific observation from a guy that doesn't know a thing about the internals of printers, but really gets mad when I can't print.
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Hp Laserjet P2015x with the max amount of memory, networked.
27 PPM Black and white, 8 seconds first sheet out. HP rules until you hit a 5K dollar Xerox Printer. Just feed the HP paper. Less than 600$ if you shop wisely.

I had an older Laserjet 5SI with the bottom tray that printed constantly all day long.

Printed several 800 page books, never even looked at it.

HP has the better updates and service also.

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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16828104628



My vote is HP.
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Old 10-03-2007, 07:48 PM
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Thanks Blue.........do you know on the duplexing with new Hpprinters, do they still make a loud racket when they go thru that process or is it quieter now? The Lexmark we are replacing sounded like a cement mixer when duplexing.3

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Andy,

I'm the Dir of Info Tech for a college at a local university. Over 500 computers, with faculty, staff, graduate assistants, labs, classrooms, etc.

We use only HP printers. Deskjets, personal laserjets, larger networked laserjets. B&W and color.

Have had excellent service from the 4000-series laserjets - 4000, 4050, 4200, 4250... latest is the 4350.

These come in three or four models - "base" is just a printer, "n" for networked, "tn" for twin trays and networked, and "dtn" for duplex, twin trays and networked.

The 4350dtn is over $2K, so may not fit your budget.

So, I strongly recommend the 4250dtn. Has 80mb of memory, two fixed paper trays plus the usual drop-down tray, duplexing and network ready. About $1,800. HP part number is Q5403A.

No need for a print server. Connect the printer to your router, run a configuration print to see what IP address it got, then set up your computers to use IP printing to that address.

Email or call me if you have any questions. I'm in your customer database...

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Old 10-04-2007, 06:31 AM
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We use HP Lasers in my office. The 3000 series would work well for you. Here is a link to the HP site:
http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en...3-1846088.html

Once you determine the model you want, use a site such as www.pricegrabber.com to compare online prices. You will be amazed at the difference in pricing. I have had good luck using Newegg.com.
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Old 10-05-2007, 04:20 PM
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If you don't need networking, and just need laser printing, you can't go wrong with a Brother. You can get a fine one for around $200-$300 and it prints fairly fast. We ditched our networking HP laser printer in our office for a Brother printer at each computer, and a printer/fax at my computer.
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Old 10-11-2007, 05:11 PM
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Just thought I would update this thread with what we ended up doing.

We ended up getting a HP3005dn for $850 with rebates from Tiger Direct. Amazing is all I can say. The pages literally fly out of it. Much faster then the Lexmark it replaced and the duplexing works great. All around I am very pleased. Hopefully it will last.

Thanks for the replies and advice here. You guys definetlyput me in the right direction.[img]../images/emoticons/thumbsup.gif[/img]

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It sure feels good to buy a quality printer. We have the basic 3005 and it has been a workhourse with no problems.
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Well........back 2-1/4 years later and the HP 3005dn took a crapper. Its to hard to get off the island and take it to a place to get looked at, so we are looking at purchasing another one.

The spec that is confusing is the rated monthly output. HP lists them kind of funny. They have a monthly duty cycle which is well over a 100K pages. And then they have a monthly volume which on ours was 1500-5000 which we can hit 1500 pages on a really busy day with no problem. I don't know what that difference in terms is.

Considering that, its hard to tell what we need from just reading the specs. I would think a $800 printer would last for more then 2 plus years. Or am I asking to much considering our usage?

Any suggestions?

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800 bucks for 2+ years? You are asking too much? You priced any marine equipment lately? 800 bucks won't get you a good plotter.

Man up and buy another HP and a few cartridges and you are good for another 2 years.

I agree though, the carts are rediculously expensive.
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Ouch! Is this in retaliation to my Yamaha yellow wire comment from earlier today? Hmmm?
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Andy--when you say "took a crapper", is it repairable? With that many pages through it, you can expect some stuff to need to be replaced. Just wondering..did you get regular maintenance done on it, or did it just work as long you kept it full of toner?
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Joe,

All I have ever done is "add" toner. These things need maintenance?

The fuser crapped out. Some coating on a roller came off and it was eating up paper. I got a new fuser maintenance kit, and got past the fuser install easy, but should have left the effin one tiny roller in the kit alone. Broke some little plastic clip off.

I am chatting online with HP right now and they have a couple options. One...send the unit in for $319 plus the shipping. They fix whatever it needs. Up to 10 business days.

Option 2.....they send overnight a refurb unit for $274 and that includes the shipping cost too. 90 day warranty. I would pull the toner out of our current one and any other consumables. I am going to do this option since its the fastest for us to get a laser printer back online, and then go out and get another one.

Any ideas on other printer brands? Or am I asking to much for what I paid on the HP? I have no idea.

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Any ideas on other printer brands? Or am I asking to much for what I paid on the HP? I have no idea.

Andy
I'm no printer expert anymore but I think you're asking too much for what you paid. Or I should say, with that kind of volume I don't think 2 years is too shabby.

Have you considered leasing a unit? A photocopier-printer (not an all in one, a real business class photocopier that can print too) may be a better option, and I know 6-10 years back when I was looking for something similar it was a cost effective option and there were no shortage of places leasing out copiers at low rates plus you agree to a minimum monthly volume and associated supplies.

Just something to consider. For now use your refurb and keep your old one for parts.

If it makes you feel better I bought a $60k copier/printer once and it was a piece of garbage.
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I agree with taking the refurb unit. It may have had less use than yours, and they will have replaced all the rollers, fuser, etc. You might as well keep the new fuser from your current one in case the new one takes a dump. If you look at it as $400/year, if you get one year out of the refurb, you're ahead. You might also try to look for ways to reduce your printing volume. We started scanning about 5 years ago and it has saved us a ton in paper and toner. We also use EFax for incoming faxes. If you look at scanners, we use a Fujitsu that rocks.

See if you can get a trade-in on the old one. Better environmentally and they can refurb it and sell it.
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