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Victory 1 09-27-2007 05:37 PM

Blue Ray Video
Whats the scoop? Is it worth buying the $500+, DVD player? and does it really make your existing DVD's play in HD?, how much will the BR movies cost compared to regular DVD's.

I have a 63" Plasma with a decent Surround Sound system, just curious if its worth switching up to, or waiting till prices come down and more movies are available....

Lets hear it....

Eyeball 09-27-2007 06:12 PM

Re: Blue Ray Video
Well, maybe. BR is Sony’s consumer version of an industrial DVD codex and blue laser hardware (smaller dot) originally used to archive files…a real whole lot of files on a single DVD. The BR technology has been around for maybe 12-years or so.

Toshiba has their own blue laser DVD system, called Hi Def DVD. Toshiba was lucky to get that name because it implies the Blu Ray isn’t HD. They are both HD DVD’s.

Yes, they are worth it for the image quality and especially for the audio quality. If you don’t know already, your surround system became obsolete with the release of the first HD DVD system. HD audio is spec’d at 12 discrete channels of listening and 2 discrete channels of LFE.

Which to get? If you follow my rambling on consumer electronics you know I am no longer a fan of anything Sony, except for the PlayStation system. It's more pseudo-Sony. Overall, the quality of Sony product is in the toilet. Even Japanese consumers now avoid Sony, and they view'd that company as their darling. Sony’s HD DVD system costs more and get less. Toshiba’s system stores about 80gb per disc, Sony is about 50gb. That said, I wouldn’t invest in either one just yet. There is something called a ‘combination drive’ that can read BOTH formats of HD DVD. That’s what I’m waiting on.

To help make sure the consumer gets screwed as screwed as screwed can get, Hollywood studios are aligning with specific formats. They are committing to either Blu Ray or HD DVD. Warner Bros is in the process of releasing its entire catalog on Blu Ray, and supposedly nothing on HD DVD. Other studios are just the opposite, everything HD DVD and nothing Blu Ray. Let’s see how long it takes the consumer to tell Hollywood to shove it.

A small mod to the manfg line is all that is needed to start cranking out HD DVDs for the Toshiba system. Sony’s Blu Ray requires an entire new production line. So there is some thought that DVD manfrs are probably going to line up with the Toshiba camp. They can get product to market faster and cheaper than if they try to meet spec for a Blu Ray disc.

Consumer electronics companies are also lined up behind one or the other HD DVD technology. If you want what’s popular, go with whatever Hitachi and/or Panasonic go with. Those are the two biggies. I can’t remember which HD disc technology that opted for.

HD DVD players have been the norm here for the last couple of years. It is almost impossible to get find a normal DVD player. The HD dvd players are typically a revamped pc with a couple-hundred gigabyte of internal HD capacity, making them HD DVD player and PVR combo.

Other than that, I intentionally stay dumb on the HD DVD stuff, waiting for the price of the HD combo (internal) drive to drop so I can toss it into my homemade PVR.

Sea Six 09-27-2007 08:56 PM

Re: Blue Ray Video
I personally went with the HD-DVD vs the BlueRay. Reason was because of how succesful SONY was with making BETA-MAX the standard for video tape vs VHS, plus the number of SONY products in my garage that DON'T WORK. Whatever SONY proposes, I go the other way. Also, there didn't seem to be an advantage one way or the other for me when renting discs from NetFlix.

socuban 09-27-2007 09:33 PM

Re: Blue Ray Video
I'm waiting 'till the dust settles. In the meantime, HD programming and DVR will keep me busy ;) Flipper is ;cool; to watch after so many years :thumbsup:

Eyeball 09-27-2007 09:39 PM

Re: Blue Ray Video
I hear ya, Sea Six. The overall quality of Sony products is marginal at best. Play Station is an exception. It is a division of Sony that is pretty much left alone, can do whatever it wants. Sony funds the PS div at the highest yen per employee, and that division produces results.

I am still disgusted by what Sony did with the battery recall. I had projected close to a 1/4-billion dollar hit to Sony. Last I read, it was over $200-million and growing, so I wasn’t far off.

Sony’s battery recall was based in fraud. Sony moved the manfg of those batteries to China but still adhered labels that read ‘Made in Japan’. None of Sony’s Japanese-made batteries were recalled, all of the Sony Chinese-made batteries were.

Sony is in so much trouble as a corporation that they canned their Japanese CEO, and for the first time in Japan history, hired an American to head up Sony Corp to try and get the company back on track. It is sad because Sony single handedly took Japan from cheaply made junk product (like the stuff from China today) to a world leader of electronics and optical products.

Over here HD discs are 2 sided, BR on one side and HD DVD on the other. Kind of defeats the whole purpose of a proprietary format, but guarantees royalties (that are ultimately paid by the consumer) to both Sony and Toshiba. And it drives up the manfg costs for the discs.

2005 SeaCraft 09-27-2007 11:58 PM

Re: Blue Ray Video
Two weeks ago, the major moive houses axed the BlueRay deal.... Get HD (it's alot less expensive) and will be around longer than BR.

HDRyder999 09-28-2007 12:08 AM

Re: Blue Ray Video
While I'm certainly not as knowledgeable as the others who have replied, I too am waiting for the dust to settle on which HD format is better. In the meantime, I purchased an up converting DVD player which up converts 480p DVDs to 1080p. The improvement in clarity is truly amazing. I'm sure its nowhere as good as true HD but its very great and uses my existing DVDs. . It cost less than $100, too.

Eyeball 09-28-2007 01:03 AM

Re: Blue Ray Video

2005 SeaCraft - 9/28/2007 12:58 PM

Two weeks ago, the major moive houses axed the BlueRay deal.... Get HD (it's alot less expensive) and will be around longer than BR.
SeaCraft, that was NOT two weeks ago ... it was two weeks AND a year ago! :rofl:

Victory 1 09-28-2007 10:14 AM

Re: Blue Ray Video
Ok so let me get this straight...BR and HD are the same thing, but just dif. manufacturers?, So then if I'm to stay away from Sony's BR who's the other Brand name? The only one Best Buy carries is BR.....I'm still confused....

FireFly 09-28-2007 11:26 AM

Re: Blue Ray Video
Don't waste your money buying a $500 BR or HD DVD player. No question they are both great but your return on investment will be in the red because the picture is not night and day better than running an up-converting DVD player. Better? Definitely! But not $500 better IMHO.

I'd wait until the price drops to $150 but for now my up-converting player does a fine job and is almost as good as what I get when recording HD format on my PVR.

Long_Board 09-28-2007 02:04 PM

RE: Blue Ray Video
If you are hoping to get the best picture out of your existing 480p DVDs, then neither Blue-ray nor HD DVD makes sense. They upconvert those DVDs from 480p to 1080i or 1080p. It looks much better, but you can buy many upconverting DVD players for way cheaper to do that same thing.

As I understand it today, HD DVD and Blu-ray are the only true 1080p sources. The ultimate in picture quality is an either an HD DVD or BR player hooked up to a TV that is 1080p native. If the TV is not true 1080p, then the new HD players are probably not worth the cash.

Taken Lightly 09-28-2007 02:22 PM

RE: Blue Ray Video
I was watching a discussion of this very subject on CNBC. They were saying HD DVD was out selling Blu-Ray 8 to 1. They were also saying all the laptops were going HD DVD. This is just what I heard I am not an expert in any of this.

Victory 1 09-28-2007 04:48 PM

Re: Blue Ray Video
Yeah I think ill wait the mean time can you recommend a good up converting player I can go buy this wknd....

Victory 1 09-28-2007 07:22 PM

Re: Blue Ray Video
Ok just purchased a up converting DVD player (Panasonic) with the HDMI cable, TO REPLACE A OLDER DVD PLAYER WITHOUT HDMI, and popped in a DVD and the picture to me looks worse than the last DVD player, with the Red,Green,& Blue Monster cables, whats the deal???

...this is all on a 63 Plasma, and I'm sure the picture looked more HD b4 with the Moster cables rather than the HDMI.

Eyeball 09-29-2007 07:55 AM

Re: Blue Ray Video

FireFly - 9/29/2007 12:26 AM

I'd wait until the price drops to $150 but for now my up-converting player does a fine job and is almost as good as what I get when recording HD format on my PVR.
This past summer Costco was selling Toshiba HD DVD players for $199.00. Toshiba was the first one to market with a HD DVD player that was right around $1k. I believe those $200 players are the same units at an amazing 80% discount.

As I mentioned above, I am waiting on the price of the "combination" drives to drop...that means there will also be "combination" players in the not too distant future. Combination players will play any format of any disc medium, DVD, HD DVD, BR, SACD, CD, MP3, whatever... This is HP but I believe both LG and Samsung already have combo drives to market.

For anyone that is serious about the highest quality of picture from an up-converted video source:

FireFly 09-29-2007 09:43 AM

Re: Blue Ray Video
Wow! For $200 I'd buy one if I were in the market and needed a new DVD player. But only as long as it plays non HD DVD's...

Victory1 - not sure why it looks worse but you may want to look into the settings to get it right. I have an upconverting DVD player and it took a bit to get it just right. Now it looks perfect every time.

abglover2 10-01-2007 08:41 AM

Re: Blue Ray Video
LG already makes a combo unit, but it is still up there in price. It wont be long before other make them and the price comes down. I have installed a number of ther toshiba's and it's a good unit at a great price.

Joe 10-01-2007 01:37 PM

Re: Blue Ray Video
One would have thought Sony would have learned about this after the Betamax thing 25 years ago,. I guess they have short term memories.

Whatever the pr0n business is using, that's the one to buy--and it looks like (from what i hear, anyway) that HD DVD has won the battle.

cb3door 10-01-2007 02:14 PM

Re: Blue Ray Video

Joe - 10/1/2007 1:37 PM

Whatever the pr0n business is using, that's the one to buy--and it looks like (from what i hear, anyway) that HD DVD has won the battle.

....riiiight...from what you "hear."


wmalloy382 10-01-2007 02:55 PM

Re: Blue Ray Video
Remeber how sony tried to hijack the VCR with the Beta.... here we are again...

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