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Old 07-23-2007, 09:01 PM
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I own a home in Virginia that is situated on a small creek that has silted in so badly that you cannot walk into it due to sinking in the mud. Word from the old timers in the area has it that this mud has not always been present, but is a recent phenomena. Some of the locals create channels for themselves by running their boats through the mud and thereby blowing it away. I do not think that this is very effective and suspect it may damage a boat engine.

Does anyone know of an effective way to move the mud to the shore or to another location? Is there a particular type of boat-engine-drive combination that is particularly effective for creating and maintaining a channel and is not likely to be seriously damaged by such use?
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Old 07-23-2007, 09:40 PM
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When they dug our foundation in Illinois, I had them swing the hoe around and clean out along the shore of the pond while they where there.
Would something like that be an option? If you could find someone with a long boom/arm on his hoe, he could probably reach out quite aways.
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Old 07-23-2007, 10:06 PM
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Sounds like you need to build a dredge , OH not a dredge a uh water pump yea that's it a water pump.



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Old 07-23-2007, 10:12 PM
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Go rent or buy one of these:

http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/w..._122115_122115

I've used similiar pumps to pump failry thinned out cement mix. I bet they'll pump silt fairly well.
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Old 07-23-2007, 10:15 PM
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I guess what would really work is a trash pump. They can handle solids. That'd be important when pumping mud. Northern carries these as well.

I'd go big and get a 4". I think they run about $1,000 from Northern Tool.
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Old 07-23-2007, 10:29 PM
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Be careful with EPA regs on a project like this.
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Old 07-24-2007, 09:40 AM
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not only EPA but CAMA. Don't advertise the situation any further and just get a semi trash pump from northern and blow it on out, or find a friend with a dredge bucket.
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Old 07-24-2007, 12:33 PM
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a trash pump is not the correct choice, what you want is a diaphram pump, commonly called a mud pump or mud hog. You can rent them from any large equipent rental company for a little under $100/day for a 3".
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Old 07-25-2007, 12:18 PM
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Could a large powerwasher be used to blow the silt away?
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Old 07-25-2007, 12:27 PM
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I'd wager dollars to donuts, once you start that operation, one of your nieghbors will call the local enviromental freaks and then you will have the authorities descend upon you.
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Old 07-25-2007, 02:14 PM
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Yup, that's why you must do it under the cover of darkness and if approached by suspecting neighbors your answer must be "I am eradicating the area of Zebra Mussels" which appear to be killing the spotted turtles
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Old 07-25-2007, 05:39 PM
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Had a friend in Maryland with a 36' crab boat with a keel cooler and dry exhaust (no raw water intake) and 24" prop. He would dredge my slip a couple of time per year for me. Would clean in an area with 18" of water and blow the silt and mud down to 5-6' deep in few minutes.
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Old 07-25-2007, 08:37 PM
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Thanks to all of you who have shared your knowledge with me. I intend to use this knowledge to carefully improve my situation with unwavering respect for the local environment.
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I used to live in currituck, nc on the currituck sound. They would threaten you with your life if you moved one grain of sand with out a permit. I know it seems crazy but they talked about $10k fines. You might want to check on that first.

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signmansez - 7/23/2007 10:29 PM

Be careful with EPA regs on a project like this.
Be very careful indeed!!!!!!!!!! Even though you may be improving the situation they will come after you. We have dealt with this bunch of Idiots several times on our farm.
Do as we do,quietly and at night. When they lock onto you they don't go away until they get money in their pockets. It's funny that your destroying the environment and bringing the world to an end until you write a check and then everything's cool. They smile get in their truck waive and leave???????
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Old 07-30-2007, 02:19 PM
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You should probably do your neighbor's places too. If you get ratted out or caught by the tree huggers there is no amount of lube to ease the raping you will get.
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Old 08-03-2007, 11:08 PM
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There are several methods used over the years. There used to be someone near Kilmarnock that made props to stir the mud. Have seen people tie cinder blocks and drag. Problem is your engine is sucking up all this stuff, dredgers go thru lots of engine and pump parts for this reason. Fact is Federal penalty is up to $10K for each day if you are caught and up to $25K if can be shown you were aware of need for permits. State DEQ and VMRC also have penalties. As a former Federal environmental regulator, I've seen many unhappy folks who were caught, choice is yours. If you get a small dredger to do work legally, you are going to need a suitable site to put this stuff. I realize this is complicated but I'm in NC now and get permits for the same type of things, because getting caught is not worth it. Other posters are right, there are a bunch of uncooperative "idiots" out there, but there are some in your area that are willing to help you.
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