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Old 07-01-2007, 09:58 AM
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Bad drivers in Va. will pay dearly To fund its roads, state will issue traffic tickets as high as $3,000 By Dennis Cauchon
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Virginia is for lovers, or so the state tourism slogan has declared since 1969. Starting Sunday, Virginia also will be the home of the $3,000 traffic ticket.

In an effort to raise money for road projects, the state will start hitting residents who commit serious traffic offenses with huge civil penalties.

The new civil charges will range from $750 to $3,000 and be added to existing fines and court costs. The civil penalty for going 20 mph over the speed limit will be $1,050, plus $61 in court costs and a fine that is typically about $200.

Virginia's traffic law is one of several thousand new state laws that take effect Sunday. Jan. 1 and July 1 are the most popular dates for state laws to become official.

July 1 is especially popular for new taxes and fees because it's the start of the budget year in 46 states. For example, Arkansas will cut its sales tax on groceries from 6% to 3% Sunday.

Virginia's new traffic penalties are expected to raise $65 million a year and are part of an effort to improve the state's roads without raising taxes.

A first-time drunken driver will face a $2,250 civil penalty, plus fines and court costs that typically run about $500 or more. Driving without a license? That's a mandatory $900 civil penalty, in addition to the ordinary $100 for a fine and court costs.

"It's outrageous," says traffic court attorney Thaddeus Furlong of Springfield, Va. "When Mr. and Mrs. Middle Class find out what they have to pay, there's going to be a backlash like you've never seen."

Some other states impose extra civil penalties for traffic offenses, but the cost is usually $100 or $200, Furlong says. "What sets this apart is the Draconian size of the civil penalties," he says.

Another difference: The civil penalties apply only to Virginia residents, not out-of-state drivers. Virginians must pay in three installments over 26 months or lose their licenses. The state Legislature didn't think it could enforce the extra penalties in other states.

Motorist club AAA Mid-Atlantic supports the new penalties.

"These penalties are harsh, but normal fines haven't gotten people to drive sanely. Maybe this will," says Lon Anderson, spokesman for AAA Mid-Atlantic.

He says the new law will help reduce the nearly 1,000 traffic deaths the state records annually.

"We wish motorists didn't have to pay more, but the fact is Virginia's transportation trust fund is broke," Anderson says.

Other new laws or fees around the USA:

Cigarette taxes. Alaska, Connecticut, Indiana, New Hampshire and Tennessee will raise their levies Sunday. The tax rises in Delaware on July 31 and in Hawaii on Sept. 30. "This is a great development because we know this will reduce smoking," says Peter Fisher, vice president for state issues at the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids of Washington, D.C.

Child safety. Florida will punish adults by up to 60 days in jail and a $500 fine for leaving young children unsupervised in a car for more than 15 minutes. Tennessee will require that kids wear helmets when riding off-road vehicles until they're 18 and bar them from buying fireworks until they're 16. California will ban junk food in schools.

Elvis. Tennessee's Legislature approved turning Graceland into a "Tourism Development Zone." If the Memphis City Council approves, Graceland's owner, CKX Inc., will get tax breaks to help build a $250 million convention hotel and visitors center near the former home of pop legend Elvis Presley.
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They're gonna be throwing a lot of folks in jail.
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Gotta slow down there alright, Virginia is also a state where you can't use your radar detector...darn....
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A first-time drunken driver will face a $2,250 civil penalty, plus fines and court costs that typically run about $500 or more. Driving without a license? That's a mandatory $900 civil penalty, in addition to the ordinary $100 for a fine and court costs.

"It's outrageous," says traffic court attorney Thaddeus Furlong of Springfield, Va. "When Mr. and Mrs. Middle Class find out what they have to pay, there's going to be a backlash like you've never seen."

Aw Hell...lets cry for the Drunk Driver..After all, he really is a good guy when hes not Drunk. I wonder what Mr. Traffic Court Attorney charges his Drunk Driving clients??? If he is so concerned about the drunks checking account, maybe he could represent him for a third of his normal rate. Any DUI attorney worth a flip is going to cost you at least $2000. That way the $$ would go to the state instead of some ambulance chaser. Its simple....If you dont want to pay the money...do what you are supposed to do. The ones crying about it must be a little worried they may get caught.
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Bad drivers in Va. will pay dearly To fund its roads, state will issue traffic tickets as high as $3,000 By Dennis Cauchon
USA TODAY

Virginia is for lovers, or so the state tourism slogan has declared since 1969. Starting Sunday, Virginia also will be the home of the $3,000 traffic ticket.

In an effort to raise money for road projects, the state will start hitting residents who commit serious traffic offenses with huge civil penalties.

The new civil charges will range from $750 to $3,000 and be added to existing fines and court costs. The civil penalty for going 20 mph over the speed limit will be $1,050, plus $61 in court costs and a fine that is typically about $200.

Virginia's traffic law is one of several thousand new state laws that take effect Sunday. Jan. 1 and July 1 are the most popular dates for state laws to become official.

July 1 is especially popular for new taxes and fees because it's the start of the budget year in 46 states. For example, Arkansas will cut its sales tax on groceries from 6% to 3% Sunday.

Virginia's new traffic penalties are expected to raise $65 million a year and are part of an effort to improve the state's roads without raising taxes.

A first-time drunken driver will face a $2,250 civil penalty, plus fines and court costs that typically run about $500 or more. Driving without a license? That's a mandatory $900 civil penalty, in addition to the ordinary $100 for a fine and court costs.

"It's outrageous," says traffic court attorney Thaddeus Furlong of Springfield, Va. "When Mr. and Mrs. Middle Class find out what they have to pay, there's going to be a backlash like you've never seen."

Some other states impose extra civil penalties for traffic offenses, but the cost is usually $100 or $200, Furlong says. "What sets this apart is the Draconian size of the civil penalties," he says.

Another difference: The civil penalties apply only to Virginia residents, not out-of-state drivers. Virginians must pay in three installments over 26 months or lose their licenses. The state Legislature didn't think it could enforce the extra penalties in other states.

Motorist club AAA Mid-Atlantic supports the new penalties.

"These penalties are harsh, but normal fines haven't gotten people to drive sanely. Maybe this will," says Lon Anderson, spokesman for AAA Mid-Atlantic.

He says the new law will help reduce the nearly 1,000 traffic deaths the state records annually.

"We wish motorists didn't have to pay more, but the fact is Virginia's transportation trust fund is broke," Anderson says.

Other new laws or fees around the USA:

Cigarette taxes. Alaska, Connecticut, Indiana, New Hampshire and Tennessee will raise their levies Sunday. The tax rises in Delaware on July 31 and in Hawaii on Sept. 30. "This is a great development because we know this will reduce smoking," says Peter Fisher, vice president for state issues at the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids of Washington, D.C.

Child safety. Florida will punish adults by up to 60 days in jail and a $500 fine for leaving young children unsupervised in a car for more than 15 minutes. Tennessee will require that kids wear helmets when riding off-road vehicles until they're 18 and bar them from buying fireworks until they're 16. California will ban junk food in schools.

Elvis. Tennessee's Legislature approved turning Graceland into a "Tourism Development Zone." If the Memphis City Council approves, Graceland's owner, CKX Inc., will get tax breaks to help build a $250 million convention hotel and visitors center near the former home of pop legend Elvis Presley.
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Old 07-01-2007, 01:32 PM
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"What is the penalty for not coming to attention and saluting when a government official approaches?"



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Seems odd that you can impose varying fines for the same offense. Thank goodness I don't live there.
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Its actually called the VA Lawyer Welfare Relief Act.

Its much worse here in CT. Schools basically can't suspend students anymore, and local and State cops can come into your home without a warrant if they suspect teen drinkng. Actually, with the "homeland security act" they can basically do that anyway......

The only 4 growth "professions" here are law enforcement, lawyers and victims. I think you have to declare your preference by Junior year in High School.

They are also considering new laws on how often you can take a crap. There are waiver provisions, but you have to be represented by consel.
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Old 07-01-2007, 10:50 PM
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What's the PROBLEM, folks?

As stated, the new (increased) "fines" ONLY apply to VIRGINIA RESIDENTS - NOT to those passing through or "nons".

LOTS of VA residents raising he$$ because of the "non-resident exemption" to the higher fines, and that may get changed by the G.A..

As a life-long resident of VA (60+ years), and a driver of 47+ years, I have NO problem with this!

I've gotten ONE speeding ticket in that time (in VA), and NONE outside of VA.

Personally, if it slows down some of the azzholes on our roads, keeps the "no license" dips off the road, and punishes the irresponsible DUI's, then I'm ALL for it!

Ya'll come back now - 'ya hea'!

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And don't forget aNOTHER one of our (VA) NEW laws - NO cellphone use while driving - IF you are under 18!

GREAT law, BUT - pretty taxing on the cops to try to "determine" if someone is "under 18" without stopping them and checking their license!

I can foresee a LOT of, "But officer, my (insert "relative" of choice here) is sick and I was calling to check on them!" (does the cop VERIFY by calling Mom, Dad, or the relative?).

How about, "My Mom is sick and was calling to tell me!" (you KNOW Mom will lie to get them out of the ticket!). Should the officer tell them they SHOULD have pulled off the road (and cut the car off)? Ignorance of the law is NO excuse!

Oh, and we STILL have that "law" (unless they changed it?) that EVEN if you are LEGALLY DRUNK, all you have to do is pull off the road and take the keys OUT of the ignition - NOT GUILTY - as long as the policeman hasn't SEEN you driving! Even if you are ALONE in the car, drunk, AND beHIND the wheel - NOT GUILTY! I have first-hand experience of this, and the drunk just got a ticket for "drunk in public"!

They had JUST missed (by about 3ft.!) running into a STOPPED car at 50mph before swerving at the last moment to miss them! I told the policeman this, as well as my wife being in the car with me as a witness!

UNREAL!

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I can only guess what will happen as the court system suddenly becomes overloaded with people contesting their tickets instead of simply paying the fine. All the cops will be in the courtroom instead of on the road. I suspect that the VA judges will get this thing changed in no time at all.
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Bruce W - 7/2/2007 12:13 AM

And don't forget aNOTHER one of our (VA) NEW laws - NO cellphone use while driving - IF you are under 18!

GREAT law, BUT - pretty taxing on the cops to try to "determine" if someone is "under 18" without stopping them and checking their license!

I can foresee a LOT of, "But officer, my (insert "relative" of choice here) is sick and I was calling to check on them!" (does the cop VERIFY by calling Mom, Dad, or the relative?).

How about, "My Mom is sick and was calling to tell me!" (you KNOW Mom will lie to get them out of the ticket!). Should the officer tell them they SHOULD have pulled off the road (and cut the car off)? Ignorance of the law is NO excuse!

Oh, and we STILL have that "law" (unless they changed it?) that EVEN if you are LEGALLY DRUNK, all you have to do is pull off the road and take the keys OUT of the ignition - NOT GUILTY - as long as the policeman hasn't SEEN you driving! Even if you are ALONE in the car, drunk, AND beHIND the wheel - NOT GUILTY! I have first-hand experience of this, and the drunk just got a ticket for "drunk in public"!

They had JUST missed (by about 3ft.!) running into a STOPPED car at 50mph before swerving at the last moment to miss them! I told the policeman this, as well as my wife being in the car with me as a witness!

UNREAL!

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"How are they going to know you are on the cellphone if you are using a Bluetooth headset like mine"

Law Enforcement has a new Blue Tooth detection device that will be distributed nationwide to the agencies that have this law in place.
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"How are they going to know you are on the cellphone if you are using a Bluetooth headset like mine"

Law Enforcement has a new Blue Tooth detection device that will be distributed nationwide to the agencies that have this law in place.
OK. Not illegal here in Florida anyway.
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"How are they going to know you are on the cellphone if you are using a Bluetooth headset like mine"

Law Enforcement has a new Blue Tooth detection device that will be distributed nationwide to the agencies that have this law in place.
OK. Not illegal here in Florida anyway.
Just pullin ya leg SeaCat... Enforcing laws such as that would be next to impossible. Not practicle at all. Just another ridiculous law to make some jackazz lawmaker feel like hes done something important. I doubt the cellphone while driving law will get much attention with law enforcement. My wife would be the first to tote that ticket
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OK. Not illegal here in Florida anyway.
D'uh. Nothing seems to be illegal in Florida. Perhaps that's how they keep the reported crime rate down
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OK. Not illegal here in Florida anyway.
D'uh. Nothing seems to be illegal in Florida. Perhaps that's how they keep the reported crime rate down
Thats a good thing.
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And don't forget aNOTHER one of our (VA) NEW laws - NO cellphone use while driving - IF you are under 18!

GREAT law, BUT - pretty taxing on the cops to try to "determine" if someone is "under 18" without stopping them and checking their license!

I can foresee a LOT of, "But officer, my (insert "relative" of choice here) is sick and I was calling to check on them!" (does the cop VERIFY by calling Mom, Dad, or the relative?).

How about, "My Mom is sick and was calling to tell me!" (you KNOW Mom will lie to get them out of the ticket!). Should the officer tell them they SHOULD have pulled off the road (and cut the car off)? Ignorance of the law is NO excuse!

Oh, and we STILL have that "law" (unless they changed it?) that EVEN if you are LEGALLY DRUNK, all you have to do is pull off the road and take the keys OUT of the ignition - NOT GUILTY - as long as the policeman hasn't SEEN you driving! Even if you are ALONE in the car, drunk, AND beHIND the wheel - NOT GUILTY! I have first-hand experience of this, and the drunk just got a ticket for "drunk in public"!

They had JUST missed (by about 3ft.!) running into a STOPPED car at 50mph before swerving at the last moment to miss them! I told the policeman this, as well as my wife being in the car with me as a witness!

UNREAL!

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Even "hands-free" phone use (by an "under 18") is a violation of the new law!

I guess the things they are looking for are teens, alone in the car, and seemingly "talking" to someone? Get rid of the headset (before the cop sees it) and they will charge you with "bad Karioke"!

I'd like to see how many tickets get issued over the next year for this offense?

Pretty stupid piece of legislation - if they REALLY wanted to do something about cellphone use while driving, they could have banned EVERYONE from using them while moving!

Of course, if you're driving with a Bill's Barbecue in one hand and a limeade in the other - now THAT would be LEGAL!

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