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Old 06-21-2007, 08:52 AM
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Thought I was meeting with a "recuiter" for a sales position. Well when I met them th "sales" position was with someone with Quixtar. If you have never heard of them it is alot like a pyrimid scheme. You get kickbacks for buying/selling there items and the if you recruit other people you get a % of what they buy/sell and so forth and so on.

I never heard of this type of thing before but it was funny sitting through the "pitch". ALot of names and # of people I dont know and how much they have made. Never really describing the "business" and what they do. It was like pulling teeth trying to get a the day to day of the "business". I started researching it a little and have gotten a better idea of everything.

I guess Im wondering what I should do when they call me back to follow up on the info they gave me. I have a couple ideas but was wondering if anyone has anything to recommend. Might actually call there parents, he told me what they did and where they work(law enforcement) and ask them why they let there kid do this. Any one else want to chime in on what to do.
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Old 06-21-2007, 09:00 AM
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Amway reinvented
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Old 06-21-2007, 09:38 AM
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Yup, I'm only 26 so the whole Amway thing happend before my time. The "founders" of Quixter are the same people how were in charge of Amway.
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I was approached with it about 8 years ago. A buddy of mine threw down some cash for it. Don't think he actually ever bought anything either. I was still green at the time, but could even then read between the lines. I knew pyramid schemes were illegal, and couldn't see how this was anything but a pyramid, no matter how they tried to convince me they weren't. Just let him keep thinking he's in on a legit business. He'll learn sooner or later that most will not fall for that crap.

On another note, ever noticed how you get approached by these pyramid type schemes when you're browsing the business or real estate section of Barnes and Noble? It's happened to me 4 or 5 times by different people. That must be in their recruiting manual. "Go to the book store. People in the business section are really dumb and they'll definately fall for our horse crap!!"
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Old 06-21-2007, 10:54 AM
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Quixtar = Amway

The largest clearinghouse for Amway/Quixtar information on the web. Time is your most precious asset, regardless of age. Use it well by performing thorough due diligence.

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Here is your reply:

"If selling the products is the key to so much wealth, and this is not a pyramid scheme, then why are you guys busting your guts to sell me on selling the product, instead of getting out there and selling the product yourselves?"



If you use this answer, please send me $19.95 and the names of 5 people whom you think might be interested in this answer. If you can sell the answer to 3 people and collect the money, I will charge you ZERO for the answer, and will allow you to keep 50% of money you collected. You will be wealthy beyond your wildest dreams; and as you can see, it is quick and easy to do. I used to be a loser like you, wondering where my next meal was coming from and wondering why everyone else had the good life and I didn't. I couldn't put my finger on it, and I just wanted to give up. But I didn't give up. I kept looking and working until I came up with this business. It was not easy, but I worked very hard, kept believing in myself, even when I didn't, and eventually built my business. Along the way I figured out simpler, more effective ways to make it work, so the money grew and also became easier to obtain. Now I can live the lifestyle I have always dreamed of. Part of that lifestyle is to help others obtain what I have. That is what drives me every day; it is why I get out of bed and go to work - I want to help people who were feeling and living exactly as I was. I want to help them be better, happier, and wealthier. That's why I am offering this proven business idea, and why I am willing to put my time and effort into your success. I believe in you, all you have to do is agree with me on that, and we can get to work.


Sound familiar.....??????


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Old 06-21-2007, 04:19 PM
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[QUOTE]Snapper Head - 6/21/2007 3:59 PM

Here is your reply:

"If selling the products is the key to so much wealth, and this is not a pyramid scheme, then why are you guys busting your guts to sell me on selling the product, instead of getting out there and selling the product yourselves?"



If you use this answer, please send me $19.95 and the names of 5 people whom you think might be interested in this answer. If you can sell the answer to 3 people and collect the money, I will charge you ZERO for the answer, and will allow you to keep 50% of money you collected. You will be wealthy beyond your wildest dreams; and as you can see, it is quick and easy to do. I used to be a loser like you, wondering where my next meal was coming from and wondering why everyone else had the good life and I didn't. I couldn't put my finger on it, and I just wanted to give up. But I didn't give up. I kept looking and working until I came up with this business. It was not easy, but I worked very hard, kept believing in myself, even when I didn't, and eventually built my business. Along the way I figured out simpler, more effective ways to make it work, so the money grew and also became easier to obtain. Now I can live the lifestyle I have always dreamed of. Part of that lifestyle is to help others obtain what I have. That is what drives me every day; it is why I get out of bed and go to work - I want to help people who were feeling and living exactly as I was. I want to help them be better, happier, and wealthier. That's why I am offering this proven business idea, and why I am willing to put my time and effort into your success. I believe in you, all you have to do is agree with me on that, and we can get to work.


Sound familiar.....??????


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HAAHAHA, Yup, its funny reading your reply and listening to the pitch last night both drove me to the same conclusion.....Who would really buy into this??? The guy trying to sell me was just out of college and went to a nice private school...come on man wake up!
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Well everyone has opinions….

Allow me to provide positive feedback in regards to Quixtar. Quixtar is an Internet based company formed in 9/1/99 by Alticore Inc which is also the parent company of Amway. Quixtar since its inception (99) has generated $6.8 billion in sales and paid more than 2.2 billion in bonuses and other incentives to its ibo’s (members). Quixtar like any company of its magnitude is subject to criticism from many sources including members of this forum and other all across the web. But I challenge you not to jump on the popular band wagon like “Bayliner Sucks” and do real research into Quixtar if you have a genuine interest.

I personally have been associated with Quixtar since its inception and I have had a great experience but because Quixtar is a people based business much of the experiences both positive and negative are a direct result of the team which they are working. As much as we would like to think all people are good the fact is with hundreds of thousands of ibo there are many that do the company less than favors with their business practices. A company does not become a multi-billion dollar company by being a illegal pyramid scheme.

Long story short I could care less if anyone on this board ever buys a single product or becomes an ibo, I however have an issue with the uneducated spewing opinions that harms others. As far as the link to amquix.info it may be helpful to know the background of that sites founder http://www.quixtarfacts.com/us-en/We...cheibeler.html

For more information see http://ibofacts.com/
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Gee, not liking your company means I am uneducated.

I reckon my reply post above must be pretty da(m)n accurate, or you would have stayed in yer hole.

Of course, I'm just ignorant.

Say, since you are so much into informed education, and like to toss out numbers, help me out:

1. What is your rate of retention amoung new recruits for the first 12 months?

2. Carry that out and provide the numbers for 3 years, 5 years, and 10 years.

3. What is the rate of non-generation among your members for the same periods?

4. What steps does your company take to prevent it from being presented under false pretenses, such as occured to the guy in the original post?


I'm ignorant, but I think I'll be able to decipher the data you provide.

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Old 06-21-2007, 09:45 PM
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I'll admit that Amway/Quixtar products are pretty good. It's not my cup of tea, but many people have done VERY well, and not at the expense of others. Amway has stood the test of time, and the successful Amway people I've met are hardly con artists, and there are quite a few around here. You get out of it what you put into it. And it is NOT a pyramid scheme.
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I understand that they sell pre-paid legal services, synthetic oil, and long distance phone services too.
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Wow!!!

Have a look a the link that Mr. Educated provided. Talk about paranoid and threatening!!!!!! They spend alot of time and effort defending their business model, too. Interesting why they would feel the need to do that. The "other successful businesses" that they allude to do not have portions of their websites devoted to countering and threatening their critics.

The language of each piece is identical, and the message is clear: "there is nothing wrong with our company and if you say there is we will attack you".

The black hand lives. What a buncha mobsters.


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I have been around long enough to know the time spend responding is just as good as wasted time because neither one of us will change our opinions, yet I continue maybe for entertainment purposes. Your comment did not lure me out of any hole I just chime in here and there when I am educated on a topic. Allow me to first answer the question you first posed: "If selling the products is the key to so much wealth, and this is not a pyramid scheme, then why are you guys busting your guts to sell me on selling the product, instead of getting out there and selling the product yourselves?" In any business volume = $$ whether you are selling a product or service in my industry it is the same if a ibo is not moving volume both personally or retail there is no money; but if you generate business volume (personally or retail) and have a team that does the same there is a time tested ‘legal’ compensation plan for the entire team. Personally I enjoy retailing, my primary focus is on the health and fitness side of the market but since this is not a paid advertisement I will leave it at that.

As far as questions 1-3 they serve no other purpose than to try to discredit the business model and frankly don’t have time to entertain. I will however say the rate of retention is quite well, when you do not use deceptive business practices and misrepresentations of figures people know exactly what the team and business is about. As an ibo I get no bonus / income from in your words recruiting a new ibo (any business that does is not legal) the only reason I want someone to sign up is if they want to join our team and build a successful business (moving volume and helping other do the same and making money). In regards to question 4 the corporation “Quixtar” takes many steps in regulating incorrect claims and if reported the ibo at fault can have their business terminated. Personally for the team I work with I believe our opportunity is the best in the world (my opinion) and there is no need for misrepresentations or deceptive business practices. You can not imagine how frustrating it is when you have a small percentage of ibo’s giving the entire multi-billion dollar company a bad name.

As far as being uneducated the comment was not directed to you but to comments of illegal pyramid schemes ect. Im sure public request of income and ect will come next but the fact is I am not on trial and the business model is not up for debate, if you move X volume and create a team to do the same you will make money period.
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Freedom,

Fair response. I will shelve the smartass attitude.

I just finished looking over the whole site, and the overwhelming feeling is that far too much space is spent defending Quixtar. There has to be a reason for that. ExxonMobil has great numbers of very vehement detractors, but they don't feel the need to spend the majority of their website space in defense of their business model.

I will take you at face value on your premise that you recruit in order to help the person signing on to succeed. I have a full faith that you are in the absolute minority among your peers in that regard. I am a businessowner, and my success is tied directly to the success off my clients. In that regard I am certainly interested in them succeeding in all of their endeavors, not just the ones that directly involve my company. But if they could not offer me any incentive of financial gain, I would not be interested in them. I don't see any difference in that regard in any for-profit business, including Quixtar. You are the exception. Call me cynical.

The tone of the website still amazes me, in a negative way. Far too much in defense, and that page about web detractors is a thinly veiled threat. Granted, if a person or company feels defamed, they have the right to pursue remedy through process. Again - the message coming from Quixtar is much more menacing.

Glad you have been successful; and I wish you nothing other than that.


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Big Al,

People of integrity are in the minority in almost any business. As far as the defensive feel you are correct, for a number of years the position of the company was not to respond or defend themselves in fear of empowering their detractors that mind frame changed when false claims had substantial impacts on people building legitimate businesses. This proactive approach is a little strong and may cool with time.

It is not for everyone but then again few things are.

May you have continued success in your industry as well…
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How do you pronounce "Quixtar"?
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Pronunciation: Quick-Star
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Old 06-22-2007, 08:26 AM
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We are in an area where many early Amway people have homes. They have been incredibly successful, and are by no means scam artists. I was recruited, and went to seminars for both Amway and quixtar. Lotsa people become part of the Amway family, but only a fairly small percentage really do well at it. It is the individuals fault if they don't prosper at it, not Amway. However, in my opinion, many people blame Amway when they should in fact be blaming themselves.

Disregard the naysayers. If you think YOU have what it takes, try it. If you succeed, great! If not, remember you were given the same tools and opportunities as others who have suceeded, so what does that tell you? Again, it's not for everyone, and it wasn't for me, but I don't blame Amway.
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Freedom Tide,-I dont believe you when you say: "As an ibo I get no bonus / income from in your words recruiting a new ibo (any business that does is not legal) the only reason I want someone to sign up is if they want to join our team and build a successful business"

You do make profit off of the people you recruit. You get a precentage of what they buy/sell. And when they recruit people you make % from them and so on. The reason pyrimid scheme is mentioned is for this exact reason.

For me there were so many red flags that I couldnt help but not believe. As I said I had no knowledge of this company or any companys like it before and the presentation didnt do anything to change my initial opinion. Basically, if someone keeps saying, "just do it, dont worry it is completely legal" whats your first thought? Why would they say that if it was "completely legal"....and if they keep harping on it, it realy doesnt help either.

Yes it is my opinion but it was formed after the "recruiting" pitch and research of the company, including the Quixtar site. So I believe it is sound and do not feel that just becuase I do not agree I am automatically uneducated or misinformed.
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I lost a good friend to this crap. He got all wrapped up in it. He came to a race party at my house and tried to talk to my guests about this sh!t, that was strike one. He brought it up at the bar two weeks later, that was strike 2. He called me at home a week later, trying to draft me, that was strike three. I told him what I thought and have not spoke to him since. He has never been the same since getting involved in this racket, like some kinda damm cult.

Amway promised me a Winnebago 10 years ago. I told them to take the Winnebago, shine it up real nice, turn it sideways, and stick it up your arse.
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