Go Back  The Hull Truth - Boating and Fishing Forum > BOATING FORUMS > Dockside Chat
Reload this Page >

The Injustice of the Sex Offender's List

Notices

The Injustice of the Sex Offender's List

Old 06-11-2007, 01:05 PM
  #1  
Senior MemberCaptains Club MemberPLEDGER
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Not in Texas
Posts: 10,213
Default The Injustice of the Sex Offender's List

This is the kind of bullsh!t that is messing up the sex offenders list:

“ATLANTA—A Georgia judge ordered the release Monday of a man sentenced to 10 years in prison for having consensual oral sex with a 15-year-old girl when he was 17.

The judge threw out Genarlow Wilson's previous sentence and amended it to misdemeanor aggravated child molestation with a 12-month sentence, plus credit for time served. Under the new ruling, he will not be required to register as a sex offender.

Wilson, now 21, has been behind bars for more than two years. …


You can read the whole story here: http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_6113992

The judge did the right thing.

This is the stuff I was talking about in that other thread a few weeks ago. The sex offender’s list is packed full of names and people that are required to register their where about for the rest of their lives, that are NOT a threat to anyone. Some criminologists that specialize in sex crime stats estimate that as much as 80% of the names on those lists should not be there.

Unfortunately, there are real sex offenders that we need to be concerned with, but how do we separate the wheat form the chaff when it comes to those lists?

Eyeball is offline  
Old 06-11-2007, 01:38 PM
  #2  
Senior MemberCaptains Club MemberPLEDGERPLEDGER
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Struggleville
Posts: 7,525
Default Re: The Injustice of the Sex Offender's List

If someone sees you peeing in public, like in the woods off the green, or behind a dumpster or similar, you're a sex offender. IMO, peeing has nothing to do with sex. Unless you shake it more than 3 times that is.
Bugbuster is offline  
Old 06-11-2007, 02:07 PM
  #3  
Senior MemberCaptains Club MemberPLEDGER
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: West Carolina
Posts: 21,938
Default Re: The Injustice of the Sex Offender's List

Eyeball, it's coincidental that you posted that. I was talking to a friend of Jessica Lunsford's father and the same subject came up. They were in town with the trike that Santiago Choppers built for them to raise awarenes for Jessica's Law. I asked him that specific question and, even as strong as they feel about Jessica's Law, he agreed that they are targeting true child sex offenders and not the 17/15 year old stuff. Don't get me wrong, if I was the father of a 15 year old I'd be pizzed but still don't think it deserves the same as a true child offender.

Case in point. A couple weeks ago local paper broke a story (if you want to call it that) where a local coach was letting a registered sex offender be an assistant coach. Same scenario, 17 year old boy and 15 year old girl. Happened 5 years ago. I know the kid and he's about as heterosexual as they come and this was a boys wrestling team. WTF?
Shag is offline  
Old 06-11-2007, 02:13 PM
  #4  
Senior MemberCaptains Club Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Murrells Inlet, SC
Posts: 5,276
Default Re: The Injustice of the Sex Offender's List

kind of ironic that the attorney for the attorney generals office first name is B.J. !!!!
jeffro22 is offline  
Old 06-11-2007, 02:53 PM
  #5  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Jacksonville, Florida, US
Posts: 14,527
Default Re: The Injustice of the Sex Offender's List

jeffro22 - 6/11/2007 2:13 PM

kind of ironic that the attorney for the attorney generals office first name is B.J. !!!!
Trust me, that stands for two first names.
Menzies is offline  
Old 06-11-2007, 04:17 PM
  #6  
Senior MemberPLEDGERPLEDGERCaptains Club Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: ATL & SAV
Posts: 12,251
Default RE: The Injustice of the Sex Offender's List

I wonder how y'all would feel if you saw the actual footage.....I have and if that was my daughter that young man would not have to worry about prison....he never would have made it that far. It is a disgusting raunchy gang bang involving a child and a comatose (drunk) 17 year old that was getting pounded by this thug after she passed out. In between trips to the bathroom to throw up, she would be dragged back to the bed and hammered again. The only reason he wasn't charged with rape was due to the fact the older girl admitted to agreeing to have sex before she became completely incapacitated. Well isn't that a nice loop hole........if a woman agrees to have sex but then becomes unable to function, it is still entirely proper and acceptable for a man to do whatever he wants to her. Good Lord what kind of country are we becoming?
Tireless is offline  
Old 06-11-2007, 04:46 PM
  #7  
Senior MemberCaptains Club Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Murrells Inlet, SC
Posts: 5,276
Default Re: The Injustice of the Sex Offender's List

yeah , when i read the article and it said he accquited on rape charges and described the party i knew this wasn't a model citizen. pretty sick from what you describe
jeffro22 is offline  
Old 06-11-2007, 05:16 PM
  #8  
Senior MemberCaptains Club MemberPLEDGER
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: West Carolina
Posts: 21,938
Default RE: The Injustice of the Sex Offender's List

Tireless - 6/11/2007 4:17 PM

I wonder how y'all would feel if you saw the actual footage.....I have and if that was my daughter that young man would not have to worry about prison....he never would have made it that far. It is a disgusting raunchy gang bang involving a child and a comatose (drunk) 17 year old that was getting pounded by this thug after she passed out. In between trips to the bathroom to throw up, she would be dragged back to the bed and hammered again. The only reason he wasn't charged with rape was due to the fact the older girl admitted to agreeing to have sex before she became completely incapacitated. Well isn't that a nice loop hole........if a woman agrees to have sex but then becomes unable to function, it is still entirely proper and acceptable for a man to do whatever he wants to her. Good Lord what kind of country are we becoming?
I guess you don't know the whole story until you know the whole story. Thanks for the clarification. I have a daughter (20) and would kill anybody who did something like that to her. No hesitation, no regrets. I was comparing "marginal" sex crimes with true molestation of a child.
Shag is offline  
Old 06-11-2007, 06:14 PM
  #9  
Senior MemberCaptains Club MemberPLEDGER
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Not in Texas
Posts: 10,213
Default RE: The Injustice of the Sex Offender's List

Shag - 6/12/2007 2:16 PM

Tireless - 6/11/2007 4:17 PM

I wonder how y'all would feel if you saw the actual footage.....I have and if that was my daughter that young man would not have to worry about prison...
I guess you don't know the whole story until you know the whole story. Thanks for the clarification.

And apparently you still don’t know the whole story. Most of the Georgia’s state sex crime laws make sex between consenting minors a misdemeanor to protect the kids from harsh sentencing and needless and wasted/inappropriate registration as sex offenders. The law that this 17-year old guy was nailed under did not have that exception for minors since it was intended for repeat adult sexual predators that pray on children. No one thought it would ever apply to two minors consenting to sex.

After this guy was nailed with a MANDITORY 10-year sentence, no parole, no one was able to help him, not even the sentencing judge that felt it was an inappropriate sentence but had no choice but to hand it down because it was mandatory. And that judge saw and heard all of the convicting testimony, not just the knee-jerk THT armchair QB’ing.

After the kid was sentenced to 10-years, the state’s legislature appended that law to exempt kids as in his case, but the legislature did not make the change in the law to be retroactive. So that if that exact same situation happened today a 10-year sentence and sex offender registration would not be possible. It was on appeal that a superior court judge stepped in and applied the amended law as it is today to the case…as is appropriate!

Georgia’s sex crime laws specifically nail adult sexual predators, but give the benefit of the doubt to minors IF they both consent. Minors are exempted from having to register as sexual predators if all parties involved consented.

Maybe the guy is not a model citizen, but he came close. He was an honor roll student, no prior criminal history, he was active in extracurricular school activities, and he was a star athlete. There was no evidence he had sex with the passed-out 17-year old girl. His sentencing was unduly harsh, hence the bases for granting a hearing on appeal and the 17-page decision that overturned the sentencing.

The Judge made the right decision, but the D.A. is appealing it. I suspect the judge’s decision will prevail. As the judge said, “with this case the justice system lost perspective of what is appropriate and what is not.”
Eyeball is offline  
Old 06-11-2007, 06:21 PM
  #10  
Senior MemberCaptains Club MemberPLEDGER
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: West Carolina
Posts: 21,938
Default Re: The Injustice of the Sex Offender's List

Wait a minute. Was it a drunken gang bang or innocent consensual sex? It does make a he11 of a difference. If what Tireless said is true, 10 years isn't enough. Death by father would be much more appropriate.
Shag is offline  
Old 06-11-2007, 06:28 PM
  #11  
Senior MemberCaptains Club MemberPLEDGER
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Not in Texas
Posts: 10,213
Default Re: The Injustice of the Sex Offender's List

From what I am reading, it was at a party and there was both but this kid only did the consensual b.j. I do not think this was two lovers in a car out on lovers lane.

Reading the DA's statements it is obvious the DA wants to nail this kid for everything that was done by everyone else.

I wonder if the girls didn't consent to whatever and then proceed to ingest alcohol as a way to improve the ride, as it were. I do not see where "gang bang" fits in anywhere here.

The irony is if instead of a b.j. from the one girl the guy had sex with the other, passed-out girl he could only be charged with a misdemeanor and would not required to register.
Eyeball is offline  
Old 06-11-2007, 06:38 PM
  #12  
Senior MemberPLEDGERPLEDGERCaptains Club Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: ATL & SAV
Posts: 12,251
Default RE: The Injustice of the Sex Offender's List

Eyeball - 6/11/2007 6:14 PM

There was no evidence he had sex with the passed-out 17-year old girl.

I hate to break it to you but there was plenty of evidence. The video showed him banging this girl from behind as she laid semi-comatose on the bed....I believe he said "Y'all need to get some of this shiat" as he smiled at the camera (don't hold me to that exact quote since I only watched this vid once and could barely stand viewing it when I did). He finally got off her and others dragged her to the bathroom where she got sick some more. They didn't nail him for rape since the 17 year old wasn't tied down or violently raped and apparently had agreed to have sex with the gentlemen. Maybe you think banging a barfing, drugged 17 year old girl is ok ... I don't.

Fast forward.......after our model student dismounted the 17 year old, he wasn't done quite yet. Once the 15 year blew another young punk, the All-American punk laid down next to her and she went to work on him. Defend this at your risk ....... it was disgusting from this father's perspective.

This case has received the media's full court press and it worked....what a shock.
Tireless is offline  
Old 06-11-2007, 06:48 PM
  #13  
Senior MemberCaptains Club MemberPLEDGER
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: West Carolina
Posts: 21,938
Default Re: The Injustice of the Sex Offender's List

Ever see "A Time to Kill" where the expert witness for the defense was discredited when the prosecution revealed that he had comitted statutory rape many years back? Then, in closing arguements the defense told how they got married and were still married 40+ years later. That's what I'm talking about. See the coaching scenario above. I know the kid and I know the coach. It is BS that he is on a sex offender register. On the other hand, true molestation ought to be dealt with quickly and very harshly. Even if it's an adult who gets molested.

I think we would probably all be on the same page if we knew exactly what Gernalow did that night. Personally I think his parents ought to be locked up for giving him that name to begin with.
Shag is offline  
Old 06-11-2007, 06:49 PM
  #14  
Senior MemberCaptains Club MemberPLEDGER
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: West Carolina
Posts: 21,938
Default RE: The Injustice of the Sex Offender's List

Tireless - 6/11/2007 6:38 PM

Eyeball - 6/11/2007 6:14 PM

There was no evidence he had sex with the passed-out 17-year old girl.

I hate to break it to you but there was plenty of evidence. The video showed him banging this girl from behind as she laid semi-comatose on the bed....I believe he said "Y'all need to get some of this shiat" as he smiled at the camera (don't hold me to that exact quote since I only watched this vid once and could barely stand viewing it when I did). He finally got off her and others dragged her to the bathroom where she got sick some more. They didn't nail him for rape since the 17 year old wasn't tied down or violently raped and apparently had agreed to have sex with the gentlemen. Maybe you think banging a barfing, drugged 17 year old girl is ok ... I don't.

Fast forward.......after our model student dismounted the 17 year old, he wasn't done quite yet. Once the 15 year blew another young punk, the All-American punk laid down next to her and she went to work on him. Defend this at your risk ....... it was disgusting from this father's perspective.

This case has received the media's full court press and it worked....what a shock.
Whoops, posting at the same time.
Shag is offline  
Old 06-11-2007, 06:53 PM
  #15  
Senior MemberCaptains Club MemberPLEDGER
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Jax Fla,Horseshoe Beach Fla
Posts: 13,398
Default RE: The Injustice of the Sex Offender's List

call me old fashion.my kids have and will be at home.that is a father's worst nightmare
tommyr904 is offline  
Old 06-11-2007, 08:18 PM
  #16  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Greensburg PA
Posts: 1,781
Default Re: The Injustice of the Sex Offender's List

Tireless,

I sure hope you are a Cop... Because I can not FATHOM any other reason any one would have seen said video!

The people who saw it are just as sick in my mind.
StingerII is offline  
Old 06-11-2007, 08:40 PM
  #17  
Senior MemberCaptains Club MemberPLEDGER
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Not in Texas
Posts: 10,213
Default Re: The Injustice of the Sex Offender's List

Tireless, what you are saying contradicts several/all of the news sources I have been reading today regarding this case.

Based on whatever knowledge you have of the case, would you say the guy demonstrates himself to be a continuing threat to society as a sexual predator? Or would you be comfortable saying his actions were likely a one-time thing and having him on the list would dilute from the intent of the sex offender's list, i.e. make it harder to tell who is really a threat?

Eyeball is offline  
Old 06-11-2007, 09:33 PM
  #18  
Senior MemberPLEDGERPLEDGERCaptains Club Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: ATL & SAV
Posts: 12,251
Default RE: The Injustice of the Sex Offender's List

I believe he was guilty of having sex with a minor and having sex with a person that was beyond the stage of still providing consent......I'll let the courts wrestle with the legal definition of what he did. My only point is that this whole case is being completely mis-reported when they endlessly characterize the perp as an All- American kid....the judge today didn't claim the thug was innocent of a crime (he changed the sentence to "misdemeanor aggravated child molestation")......he simply overruled the length of the sentence.
Tireless is offline  
Old 06-12-2007, 08:54 AM
  #19  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Georgia
Posts: 129
Default Re: The Injustice of the Sex Offender's List

You know im betting this whole thing became an issue to the girl not because of the sex but because it was taped and she drank too much to realize it. He was showing it to his buddies and it got around the school. But IMO she drank to that point and at some age you have to be accountable for your own actions. Ive known 21 yr olds and such who were legal and this situation happened but you gotta say well why in H*ll did you drink that much? If your drunk and drive and clip a minivan full of kids your held accountable but if you drink at a party to the point you dont remember and find out later you had sex and it was taped you are accountable!!! Even though you may not remember you were awake and talking maybe slurred but you had a bad night cause you didnt know when to stop. Im currently living with an alcoholic woman and one time she put her fist through a glass door cause she was pissed at me and she seems to think it wasnt her fault it happened, well dee dee dee you drank a 12 pack you're accountable just as if you were sober. If a girl gets sloppy drunk with house full of guys what do you think they're gonna do? The law is very clear on this "If you are drunk and shit happens you are responsible!"
Velociraptor101 is offline  
Old 06-12-2007, 08:57 AM
  #20  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Sunny florida
Posts: 23,041
Default Re: The Injustice of the Sex Offender's List

The facts are different from reports in the newspapers? Gee..how unusual..NOT! All the more reason to believe NOTHING you read in the papers or see on tv. The Fourth Estate influences public opinion to a great extent, and it's unfortunate. Thanks for the insight, Tireless.
billinstuart is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread