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Old 06-06-2007, 08:32 PM
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I'm tired of putting parts on my old Vermont castings grill and need a new one. In addition they have crazy prices for parts, but that is another story. It is being retired to the weekend house. Really don't care about the Stainless steel craze unless it is stainless where it counts.

The big box versions are huge stainless wrapped rip offs.

Today I saw a Phoenix grill for the first time and it looks good to me. All SS, no flare -up design with a full stainless tent with grease drain and compact in size. I don't want or need a huge grill. The valves and ignitor are cheap, but otherwise it is built well. Anyone have any experience with one?

Otherwise I'm leaning toward a mid-level Weber or Ducane. 2-4 burner is plenty and bigger is not better, but I want good quality. Don't want a side burner.

What are the recommendations here? Budget 4-600 or so, unless I swing for a Phoenix if it is worth it.
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Old 06-06-2007, 08:41 PM
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I'm tired of putting parts on my old Vermont castings grill and need a new one. In addition they have crazy prices for parts, but that is another story. It is being retired to the weekend house. Really don't care about the Stainless steel craze unless it is stainless where it counts.

The big box versions are huge stainless wrapped rip offs.

Today I saw a Phoenix grill for the first time and it looks good to me. All SS, no flare -up design with a full stainless tent with grease drain and compact in size. I don't want or need a huge grill. The valves and ignitor are cheap, but otherwise it is built well. Anyone have any experience with one?

Otherwise I'm leaning toward a mid-level Weber or Ducane. 2-4 burner is plenty and bigger is not better, but I want good quality. Don't want a side burner.

What are the recommendations here? Budget 4-600 or so, unless I swing for a Phoenix if it is worth it.
I have a costco stainless I bought 4 years ago for $599. All stainless, nice and hot, still going strong. I has a side burner, which is more useful than you might think.
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Old 06-06-2007, 08:45 PM
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A friend of mine has one from Costco as well and likes it. I forgot about that option.
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Old 06-06-2007, 08:48 PM
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I would burn out a grill every 2-3 years, when we cook 9 times out of 10 it is on the grill.

I went with the JenAir Stainless from Lowes. These are not top of the line grills but not bad for the money.

One of my clients installs gas lines and works on gas appliances and said what ever you do to go with the cast iron
burners and they will last.

The best thing I did with my new grill which I have had for 2 years was to switch over to natural gas. I have not had to worry
with a propane bottle other than for my turkey fryer/low country boiling pot and that has been great also.


I have a friend that grills as much as I do and he always had Webers and they held up very well but he now has the big JenAir as well.


My guy also said the Ducane's are a good buy for the money as well.

I wanted as much stainless as possible, mine has the side burner which most do but I am with you in that it is really not that big of a deal
I just never use the side burner and it does not get hot enough if I want to blacken some fish so I go back to my propane cooker
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I have a DCS grill.. If you decide to go big bucks, they are super. Nice even heat, very well made, unlike the Home Depot ones, it weighs 600lbs. The cast iron burners need to be drilled out once a year in the spring, a PIA. I redid the entire insides for about $500 in parts 2 years ago (after 10 years of use). Was my neighbors, he got an estimate of $1400 for the rebuild and offered it to me for free so I took it. They run around $4k, about $3500 more than I'd spend on any grill... But it is sweeet.
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Old 06-06-2007, 09:19 PM
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Holy smokes, 4K? That is a hell of a grill.

The Jenn Aire is nice, but they are huge. I've got a space limitation for the slot on my deck, which is also why a don't really want a side burner. A nice quality stainless unit with good burners is all I need. The Vermont castings has held up well, but the venturi tubes and valves are crap. Othewise the cast aluminum lid and base and cast iron grates are in good shape after 7 years.

Really like the Weber and probably won't buy from a big box. I've got a great privately owned hardware store chain in the area that sells them for the same price as HD and has service.

I may take a chance with the Phoenix. It looks like a garage project grille, but also looks like it will last a long time. The area under the stainless steel grate is a solid sheet of stainless steel with a grease drain that is collected in a galvanized bucket. No frills and compact, but not cheap.
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Old 06-06-2007, 09:29 PM
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After getting out of the gas craze for 10 years I only got into LP last Aug. I chose a Vermont Castings. I works great for the price but I may buy a Weber LP for the #2 house.

I never heard bad things about VC and it was top rated by CU if you believe that mag.
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Old 06-06-2007, 11:29 PM
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I bought the Vermont Castings some years ago thinking that it was a good grill. My wife started dinner one night when I was at work and then decided it would be a good idea to invite the fire department over...... The whole grille was engulfed in flames and she was lucky the kids did not get hurt since they were right nearby when it went up. My wife was smart and grabbed a dry chemical fire ext. before the FD showed up and was able to put it out the flames and the stood back. The fire department determined it was not a grease fire and it was a defective grille. I tried dealing with Vermont Castings and they have not been cooperative at all. I'm starting to think if someone got hurt and a lawyer was involved they would be more cooperative.

I still have the grill and can post images if anyone would like to see them, and no, it was not the gas line that deteriorated in the sun - the tank and line are completely protected from the sun since they are housed.

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Old 06-06-2007, 11:32 PM
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Buy a $119 char broil from wal mart and replace it every 3 years or so. I have a 5 year old one that still works fine.
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Old 06-06-2007, 11:36 PM
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Joe, I like the way you think. Disposo grill may not be a bad idea. That is basically what the $299 SS grills are, but with a fancy out cover.

Why clean it? Just toss it in the dumpster in the fall and get a new one in the spring, may not be such a bad idea.
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Old 06-07-2007, 12:08 AM
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I have my weber 5 years and love it - give it a good cleaning every 6 months or so. Just replaced the "flavorizer" bars. have no side burner and ner=ver though about needing one, until the hurricane and 15 days w/o power
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tprice - 6/6/2007 8:48 PM

My guy also said the Ducane's are a good buy for the money as well.
Ducane's are AWESOME grills...I grew up in the town they were made in and would never be without one. That being said...they ran into hard times and have been bought out by Weber :-( I like Weber but not the same.
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Old 06-07-2007, 06:44 AM
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If I'm not mistaken our Napoleon gas grill has a life time warrantee on everything, but maybe that’s a Canadian thing??? I think ours is coming up on it’s seventh year now and everything inside still looks like new....I did a total clean up on her this past winter. And more importantly, we’ve NEVER had a flare up! I have zero regrets buying ours.
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GWcpa - 6/6/2007 11:36 PM Joe, I like the way you think. Disposo grill may not be a bad idea. That is basically what the $299 SS grills are, but with a fancy out cover. Why clean it? Just toss it in the dumpster in the fall and get a new one in the spring, may not be such a bad idea.
The neighbor that gave me the DCS does exactly that. Buys a cheapie already assembled in May, throws it away when he closes up for the winter. Don't bother covering,storing or cleaning. Keeps only the tank. Of course I have yet see him cook anything besides hot dogs and hamburgers.
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Old 06-07-2007, 07:18 AM
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What ever, buy one that you can get parts for easily, weber is one of the best at warranty and parts. Having said that, I have discovered other things to cook on a grill such as pizza and the Webber does not have enough space for indirect cooking, their burners cover side to side front to back while others are front to back allowing a large area of no direct heat. I was looking at a Ducane, but years ago they would not get hot enough to sear a steak or it toooo long to get them hot enough, maybe as some one said, Webber bought them and changed them slightly.
I looked at sears the other day and only found SS parts on the most expensive model and they were so large that they would not fit on my porch. I want a smaller grill, not tooo small with SS parts and they are, at least where I live hared to find.

Maybe some0ne above was right buy cheap and replace every 2-3 years but I cook or use the grill a lot and have a habit of not cleaning it properly, and in this case the Weber grills have served me well.
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Just bought the Weber EP310, copper color. Looks like an ok grill for the $$. Got it from a local Weber dealer.

Will pick up tomorrow and break it in tomorrow night.

Thanks for the input.
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I have a SS Phoenix Grill and it is bulletproof. No flare ups and easy to operate. Great for steaming oysters as well. No complaints on my end.
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I have a ducane, I use mine every 3/4 times a week.
if i had the option I will not get the ss grids and burners on it.
theres nice ones out there still ss with brass burners and roth iron grids.

that's the way to go.

my grill still looks good however the ss grids don't look that hot and the grill is 6 months old.

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I was wondering about the SS racks. There is a cheaper version (big box) of the grill I am getting that has the cast iron grids. Also Weber changed from the welded half tube SS racks to the SS rods. Cast iron has always seemed like a good idea to me, but somehow the SS is sold as an upgrade.

Guess I'll go ahead with the SS and use Easy off on them on occassion.
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Mine has the ss rods, I clean it but once the ss goes to high temperatures it gets that nasty
rusty look on them. same thing with ths ss heat deflectors.

I was told welded ss does not hold long at extreme temperatures, that the weld will eventually came apart.

I got mine at home depot, its the 5 burner, the other model I was looking at in december
was a charmglow was 369. even had the rottiserie kit

Was a awesome price for a 4 burner, they increase the price on that one to 569.

And the last minute I changed my mind and got the ducane.

its very good with the temprature however I don't like to see the rusty thing on th SS.
and its very hard to clean.

I'm happy but not trilled, I was expecting more for a 1000 grill.
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