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Brad1 05-17-2007 10:56 PM

Builder Screw Up
 
Having a new home built. The drywall was hung this week. This evening, I noticed that the drywall installers went right over an outlet box with drywall. I took pictures of every wall of the house after the electrical inspection, and before the drywall was hung. Sure enough,one of mypictures shows the box (on the framing) that was covered with drywall. I text messaged the subcontractor letting him know that I found a box covered with drywall, but I'm not telling him where.

Needless to say, I'm pissed.

welder 05-17-2007 11:00 PM

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Brad if that the worst thing that has happened so for you got it made Dude.

You will want to show the electrician the pics though.


idigitu88 05-17-2007 11:20 PM

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Did you see the plug the plumber forgot to remove from the 4" waste line. They're in cohoots with the drywallers.

GOODNYOU 05-17-2007 11:34 PM

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No big deal. Theyll rotozip the box and tighten up a few screws.

Garett 05-18-2007 12:35 AM

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Covering over an outlet box should be pointed out......if it's not picked up even by the electrical inspector turning on the power to the system could zap the wires bad enough to where a new wires need to be run (fished in).....which isn't the end of the world.

So did you vacuum the toe plates out before the insulation, vapor barrier and drywall went up? It sure does cut down on the amount a dust a new house gets.

Jay A 05-18-2007 12:41 AM

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GOODNYOU is right! That's how I did my 2nd floor! I knew what height and spacing of each outlet and switch box was from the floor and just routed them out.Easy and neat. Did the cieling lighting the same way.

twentynine 05-18-2007 04:57 AM

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Not a big problem. You found that the box was missing,now they will uncover it. No big deal. Happens all the time.

Brad1 05-18-2007 05:30 AM

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Looking back on my original post, I can see that I wasn't clear as to why I'm not telling them where the box was.

I agree that one covered box is no big deal (provided of course that it's corrected).

BUT, merely fixing that one covered box is not the key issue. The problem is, how many others were covered that I'm not aware of ????

I'm refraining from telling them the location of the covered box because, if I see they are able to locate it on their own, that will be an indicator to me that they checked the house for additional covered boxes. An absolute sure fire way of knowing that they found every one of them (if indeed there are more)? Of course not. But at least an indicator that they did some checking.

Sure, I took pictures of most of the walls before the drywall went up, but there may be areas that I don't have pictures of. Besides, the burden for catching all covered boxes shouldn't rest on my pictures.

The purpose to my having taken the pictures prior to the drywall installation was to have documentation of the location of utilities within the walls (plumbing and electrical) so in the future, if I have a need to make a repair or do a small project in the house, I know the location of the utilities beforehand (so as to save me time in the event of a repair, or plan properly in the case of a project). Also, the walls that are not "busy" with utilities (maybe just have some outlets on them and nothing else) I did not take pictures of. It just so happens that one of my pictures shows the box that was covered in the background.

I didn't take the pictures in order to document the builders mistake. This being the first home I ever had built, I never would of thought of that. But if I ever have another one built, I'll take the pictures and it would be for the purpose of catcihing a mistake (in addition to my original intent).




tprice 05-18-2007 05:45 AM

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GOODNYOU - 5/17/2007 11:34 PM

No big deal. Theyll rotozip the box and tighten up a few screws.
Yep, no big deal and do not be an A HOLE with the GC. Let him know where it is

If you do not I assure you he will get you in the end with an extra charge somewhere and I most GC's I know will take in to account how you work with them when the final bill comes due

mymojo 05-18-2007 05:49 AM

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Brad, this happens often on projects and is not a big deal. If it were me I'd let the GC know the location and ask him to verify that all boxes are accounted for before signing off on the house and giving over the last payment.

Bailey Boat 05-18-2007 06:00 AM

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You're not being very fair to your builder, your supposed to be partners in building this thing, not adversaries. Bring this to his attention and I'm sure he'll correct it.
Look at it this way, he's probably got 2 or 3 homes under construction at any one time and you only have ONE.... Help the guy out and I'm sure he'll appreciate it....... :thumbsup:

idigitu88 05-18-2007 06:08 AM

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What about the screw the guy put through the wire? Did you get a picture of that before they taped and mudded it. Then the trim guy will most likely Nail through a pipe. Keep those pictures ready......

Brad1 05-18-2007 06:20 AM

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Again. The issue here is not that one box.

The issue is being comfortable with the fact that there are not others that were covered over.

My family will be living in this house. I want to be confident that everything has been done to avoid an electrical fire.

I would like to tell the builder where the covered box is, but think about it. What will happen then. They'll fix that box. End of story. Everything will be better. Yeah, at least for the builder. Meanwhile, I go on never knowing for sure if there other covered boxes. I'm talking about boxes with live electricity to open wires, covered behind the wall. A fire hazard in a home that my family will be living in and I'm paying 6 digits for. Now tell me, who's not being fair ?!?!?

Bugbuster 05-18-2007 06:26 AM

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Yep, migos can hang the chit out of some sheetrock, but someone has to watch them constantly. They do not know or care of the consequences of their actions, just how fast they can hang the rock. You're doing good with the camera though, but I bet the electricians uncover the box without any input from ya. Unless their migos too. ;)

dexy1 05-18-2007 06:41 AM

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Hey Brad, I would tell the GC where the box is and ask to meet with the electrician he knows how many boxes he installed and where. He billed the GC for his time and materials. Most homes are built to one set of plans Capes, Colonial, Saltbox etc. and all outlet boxes and light switches are in pretty much the same place in each house. If your home is custom then you more than likely have a set of plans with a electric detail. Work with them and I think you will find this is not a big deal. Good luck!

Just1more 05-18-2007 07:18 AM

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Brad1 - 5/17/2007 11:56 PM

Having a new home built. The drywall was hung this week. This evening, I noticed that the drywall installers went right over an outlet box with drywall. I took pictures of every wall of the house after the electrical inspection, and before the drywall was hung. Sure enough,one of mypictures shows the box (on the framing) that was covered with drywall. I text messaged the subcontractor letting him know that I found a box covered with drywall, but I'm not telling him where.

Needless to say, I'm pissed.

You are kidding me, right? You need to get a grip! [img]../images/emoticons/rolleyes.gif[/img]

Most people have the misconception that construction is merely about hammering nails, pouring concrete, erecting steel and laying block. Thats BS! It's more about relationships! Owner-Contractor, Contractor-Subcontractor, etc. A bad relationship with your builder is not something you want! A good strong relationship is worth a great deal to both of you. COMMUNICATE with him and it will pay off!

Don't be a Richard Cranium.

dssmith 05-18-2007 07:39 AM

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Hello,

Rather than play "guess the mistake" game with the GC or Drywall sub, point out the mistake to the GC.

I presume you have blueprints. I'd guess there is a wiring scheme for the house.
A simple walk through with the electrician, or GC will be able to identify the location of all outlets, wiring switches, fixtures etc. Now that the drywall is up, it's a great time to do this.

I've had various friends with heating vents, switch plates, and all kinds of plumbing devices covered. These are all easily findable and fixable with a simple walk through.

You will have to spend no more than 20 minutes with the builder and a set of blue prints to inventory all outlets. It's a good thing to do.

Best to do in one setting, rather than micromanage each and every error.

This is a very common oversight and simple fix. Building is stressful, and this one is just not worth losing confidence in the building trade over.

Do a walkthru with the builder/foreman and afterwards you will all sleep better.

Good luck.

Tireless 05-18-2007 07:42 AM

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All the builder has to do is run a sound wave down the wiring to locate each and every box in the house......rotozip the perfect hole and you are good to go.

billinstuart 05-18-2007 07:43 AM

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No big deal..happens all the time. The electrician usually marks the boxes on the floor. If not, when it's time to "plug and switch" they'll find it.

Attitudes like this is the reason I HATE building houses, and don't do it anymore. As stated, be a partner, not an adversary. Is it the contractors fault some illegal immigrant made a simple, easily rectified mistake? Why should the electrician suffer? Jeezus, get a life.

tommyr904 05-18-2007 07:51 AM

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god i love my job :roll


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