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Old 05-21-2007, 12:31 PM
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sleeping with the fishes, that should work
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Brad so have you let it slip out yet that the GC and crews are invited to either a hot dog/ hamburger or a T Bone Steak BBQ (depending on the quality level) with plenty of ice cold beer when the project is completed?
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Garett - 5/21/2007 4:40 PM Brad so have you let it slip out yet that the GC and crews are invited to either a hot dog/ hamburger or a T Bone Steak BBQ (depending on the quality level) with plenty of ice cold beer when the project is completed?
I haven't said anything aboutthat, but the GC and his buddies have an invite fishing on Lake Erie with me. We were supposed to have already gone, but the weather on the 12th was lousy so we cancelled. But I'll be takingthem up there soon. And ussually once a take a crew out fishing, it becomes an annual thing. Also, if the job's well done in the end, there'll definately be some $$$ heading his way. Like I mentioned in an earlier post, I gave a plumber an extra couple hundred $ on a bill that was just a little more than half that. I tip well, and I like to give folks extra. Maybe a fool and his money talking, but it makes me feel good to treat people right. I'm a firm believer in what goes around, comes around.

Guys, please don't try to assess therelationship between the GC and myself. Seriously, there's been alot of inferences made by some that I'm hounding this guy. That'sa complete180 from the truth. Yes, I was pissed about the drywallers, but everything's cool between the GC and myself. It has been all along.
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Old 05-21-2007, 09:56 PM
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u checked it with a tape measure and a level yet?????
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Old 05-21-2007, 10:13 PM
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mhyzhen - 5/21/2007 7:59 PM ok....my last post on this...lol, im much calmer now, but still have a sore spot for people who seem to anal over minor things (not the fact you found a covered outlet-but the fact you want to play hide and seek about it) look at it this way......your in a horrible car crash and are all banged and tore up........but for some reason the doc leaves you concious to put you back together......well, you notice a sponge that he missed and now he has sewn it back up inside you......are you going to play hide and seek with him to ? i bet not..... heres another....more realistic scenario......your builder doesnt find it and you never tell him where its at......you refuse to sign off because of it....and the builder takes you to court.....well, guess what, when you stand in front of the judge and tell him you knew about it, knew where it was, but refused to tell the builder where it was......well, lets just say you will be writing a check....
mhyzhen. Welcome back. And I must say, I like you alot better calm man.And you offer some good perspective. I liked your operation room sponge scenario. But your more realistic scenario, well, I think it was just that. Realistic. It has indeed made me think. Seriously.

Fortunately, no hide and seek has taken place yet, and you guys brought me to the realization that is a bad idea. Thanks.

Just so everyone knows, the day I discovered the covered outlets, I let the GC know via text message that I discovered the covered outlets.That was all.I didn't tell him at that time where they were, but luckily (for me), I also didn't convey to him that I wasn't going to tell him. I admit, for never having been in this situation before, I did think I had a pretty good idea as to how I could helpassure that all rooms were thoroughly checked. That is, by not telling him where they were. But that idea never got communicated to the GC. When I talked to the GC about it the next day over the phone, he didn't even bother toask where the covered outlets were. I'm hoping that's because it's a routine occurance. So no hide and seek has occurred, and I've decided it's not going to. Thanks to you guys.

You know, I really got beat up here on this thread (figuratively). I can't believe I'm about to say this, but Thanks.I needed that. Seriously.

Now where were you guys before I decided to pop the question to my Wife ! ! !

Just kidding. There ain't another woman on the planet that would put up with me.

Thanks again guys. Good night all.
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Old 05-21-2007, 10:18 PM
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WFOFISHING - 5/21/2007 8:56 PM u checked it with a tape measure and a level yet?????
Nah, The joint compound guy was pretty busy when I was over there yesterday and I wanted to stay out of his way. Not only that, there was some wet joint compound, so I didn't want to touch anything. I was able to look along a few walls from an angle and see where there was a bulge in a couple places.
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Old 05-21-2007, 10:24 PM
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mhyzhen - 5/21/2007 7:59 PM ok....my last post on this...lol, im much calmer now, but still have a sore spot for people who seem to anal over minor things (not the fact you found a covered outlet-but the fact you want to play hide and seek about it) look at it this way......your in a horrible car crash and are all banged and tore up........but for some reason the doc leaves you concious to put you back together......well, you notice a sponge that he missed and now he has sewn it back up inside you......are you going to play hide and seek with him to ? i bet not..... heres another....more realistic scenario......your builder doesnt find it and you never tell him where its at......you refuse to sign off because of it....and the builder takes you to court.....well, guess what, when you stand in front of the judge and tell him you knew about it, knew where it was, but refused to tell the builder where it was......well, lets just say you will be writing a check....
mhyzhen. Welcome back. And I must say, I like you alot better calm man. And you offer some good perspective. I liked your operation room sponge scenario. But your more realistic scenario, well, I think it was just that. Realistic. It has indeed made me think. Seriously.

Fortunately, no hide and seek has taken place yet, and you guys brought me to the realization that is a bad idea. Thanks.

Just so everyone knows, the day I discovered the covered outlets, I let the GC know via text message that I discovered the covered outlets. That was all. I didn't tell him at that time where they were, but luckily (for me), I also didn't convey to him that I wasn't going to tell him. I admit, for never having been in this situation before, I did think I had a pretty good idea as to how I could help assure that all rooms were thoroughly checked. That is, by not telling him where they were. But that idea never got communicated to the GC. When I talked to the GC about it the next day over the phone, he didn't even bother to ask where the covered outlets were. I'm hoping that's because it's a routine occurance. So no hide and seek has occurred, and I've decided it's not going to. Thanks to you guys.

You know, I really got beat up here on this thread (figuratively). I can't believe I'm about to say this, but Thanks. I needed that. Seriously.

Now where were you guys before I decided to pop the question to my Wife ! ! !

Just kidding. There ain't another woman on the planet that would put up with me.

Thanks again guys. Good night all.



That's great to hear!!!!!Building a NEW HOME is something that should be a ever-lasting memory for you and your family....(GREAT MEMORIES) Hope your finished product brings you a lifetime of joy!!!!!!
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WFOFISHING - 5/21/2007 10:24 AM
That's great to hear!!!!!Building a NEW HOME is something that should be a ever-lasting memory for you and your family....(GREAT MEMORIES) Hope your finished product brings you a lifetime of joy!!!!!!
Glad I'm the one to say, "I'll second that"!
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Old 05-22-2007, 07:58 AM
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This reminds me of those posts from several years back where some boat buyer's wanted to sit around after their new boat was "born" at the factory and then tell the factory guys how to do their jobs during the building process. All for the purpose of truth, justice and the american way or something like that.
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Old 05-22-2007, 08:42 AM
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Having a new home built. The drywall was hung this week. This evening, I noticed that the drywall installers went right over an outlet box with drywall. I took pictures of every wall of the house after the electrical inspection, and before the drywall was hung. Sure enough, one of my pictures shows the box (on the framing) that was covered with drywall. I text messaged the subcontractor letting him know that I found a box covered with drywall, but I'm not telling him where.

Needless to say, I'm pissed.
Hey brad, didn't read the rest, of thread, but I too am having a house constructed and same thing happened. My advice is, don't sweat the little thing. Yes, this is a little thing. They can and will find it. The electrical outlet placement is dictated by code, so the electrician, when he comes back to the job, will know approximately where the outlet should have been and will uncover it.

My drywallers covered a slew of things, including outlets, security system wires, thermostat wires, access panels, highhat lights, etc, etc, etc. I was surprised how easy it was for them to find them all and get them out. On one wall, they covered 4 items and found them all in about 5 minutes after I told hem there were 4 things in the wall.

It was good you took pictures. I would say tell your contractor exactly where it is and work WITH him. Don't get into a pissing match with him-it is of no benefit to you. If you really piss him off, he could easily get even with you in a way you will not be able to find out for years.
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Ya know, Brad...in this ol' world ya get what ya give...quit playin' games and let the GC know where the box is...it's not like YOU never have made a mistake in your whole life ... or go ahead and play your games...I'm sure the GC has some games of his own...
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reelapeelin - 5/22/2007 8:04 AM Ya know, Brad...in this ol' world ya get what ya give...quit playin' games and let the GC know where the box is...it's not like YOU never have made a mistake in your whole life ... or go ahead and play your games...I'm sure the GC has some games of his own...
Thanks reelapeelin. Will take the advice. But the attitude's not necessary though. You see, as I pionted out in my subsequent posts on this thread, I am not hiding anything from the GC. I'm not trying to be a smart A$$, but if your going to take the time to reply, please bring yourself up to speed on the situation before doing so.
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Having a new home built. The drywall was hung this week. This evening, I noticed that the drywall installers went right over an outlet box with drywall. I took pictures of every wall of the house after the electrical inspection, and before the drywall was hung. Sure enough, one of my pictures shows the box (on the framing) that was covered with drywall. I text messaged the subcontractor letting him know that I found a box covered with drywall, but I'm not telling him where.

Needless to say, I'm pissed.
Hey brad, didn't read the rest, of thread, but I too am having a house constructed and same thing happened. My advice is, don't sweat the little thing. Yes, this is a little thing. They can and will find it. The electrical outlet placement is dictated by code, so the electrician, when he comes back to the job, will know approximately where the outlet should have been and will uncover it. My drywallers covered a slew of things, including outlets, security system wires, thermostat wires, access panels, highhat lights, etc, etc, etc. I was surprised how easy it was for them to find them all and get them out. On one wall, they covered 4 items and found them all in about 5 minutes after I told hem there were 4 things in the wall. It was good you took pictures. I would say tell your contractor exactly where it is and work WITH him. Don't get into a pissing match with him-it is of no benefit to you. If you really piss him off, he could easily get even with you in a way you will not be able to find out for years.
Thanks chrisjb.

I didn't get into a pissing match with the GC. My not telling him the location of the covered outlets was merely my plan that I shared with everyonehere as to how I could help assure that they checked for the missing outlets everywhere. But I never mentioned to the GC that was what I was going to do. When I texted him that night about thecovered outlet, I merely stated that I had discovered a covered outlet. Nothing more in that message. And the next day when he called me about it, he never even asked where they were. So it never came down to me withholding info from him. I gotta admit, if he would've asked the next day, I would've then decided touse my plan. But since he didn't ask, it never happened.

My biggest concernwas risk of electrical fire should should live exposed wires exist behind the wall due to a covered box never being uncovered. Some other folks responded as to how that could be addressed though (wave sounding device).

There are alot of quality contractors working on this house. I'm genuinely impressed with the quality these people put into their work. The only exception being the dry wall installers.
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reelapeelin - 5/22/2007 8:04 AM Ya know, Brad...in this ol' world ya get what ya give...quit playin' games and let the GC know where the box is...it's not like YOU never have made a mistake in your whole life ... or go ahead and play your games...I'm sure the GC has some games of his own...
Thanks reelapeelin. Will take the advice. But the attitude's not necessary though. You see, as I pionted out in my subsequent posts on this thread, I am not hiding anything from the GC. I'm not trying to be a smart A$$, but if your going to take the time to reply, please bring yourself up to speed on the situation before doing so.


OK...If I missed something in the 9 or so pages, my sincere apologies...but please go back and reread my reply w/out putting attitude in it that I never intended... ... I'm just glad you got things worked out...
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dry wallers and painters, not usually high on the list of smart, skilled subs
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Old 05-22-2007, 12:59 PM
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reelapeelin - 5/22/2007 8:04 AM Ya know, Brad...in this ol' world ya get what ya give...quit playin' games and let the GC know where the box is...it's not like YOU never have made a mistake in your whole life ... or go ahead and play your games...I'm sure the GC has some games of his own...
Thanks reelapeelin. Will take the advice. But the attitude's not necessary though. You see, as I pionted out in my subsequent posts on this thread, I am not hiding anything from the GC. I'm not trying to be a smart A$$, but if your going to take the time to reply, please bring yourself up to speed on the situation before doing so.
OK...If I missed something in the 9 or so pages, my sincere apologies...but please go back and reread my reply w/out putting attitude in it that I never intended... ... I'm just glad you got things worked out...
Thanks reelapeelin.

Alot of folks passed judgement on my without knowing all the facts. But I consider myself to blame for that because I did not do thorough job of detailing all the facts in my original post. That lead to inaccurate inferences being made. As it became apparent that was the case, I tried to supply additional info to clarify. But that was intermingled through the 9 pages of posts. And quite frankly, I don't blame you for not reading all that. I wouldn't have.

Thanks again.
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Having a new home built. The drywall was hung this week. This evening, I noticed that the drywall installers went right over an outlet box with drywall. I took pictures of every wall of the house after the electrical inspection, and before the drywall was hung. Sure enough, one of my pictures shows the box (on the framing) that was covered with drywall. I text messaged the subcontractor letting him know that I found a box covered with drywall, but I'm not telling him where.

Needless to say, I'm pissed.
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