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mhyzhen - 5/20/2007 12:05 AM

..........be very anal about the finishers mudding your walls.........talk to them extensivly about your fears of the paint flashing....tell them to make sure and mudd the entire wall, alot of builders these days only mudd the seams and screws
Mudding the seams and screws is standard practice, mudding the entire wall is done but that is taking it to a different level of finish that you can expect to pay extra for
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Old 05-20-2007, 06:41 AM
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HEY LOOOOOOSSSSSER in the LOSER SUIT - get the hell off here, real world problems are trying to be sorted out here.........8 posts of your self inflating bullsh!t is far to much for anyone to take.......GET OUT OF HERE YOU LOSER!!!!!!!!!
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mymojo - 5/19/2007 5:37 PM

Hey RI Builder - believe me I was'nt the one causing gray hair that day! It was the neighbor who objected to the 102 vehicles clogging up the street for 2+ years running. They've since instituted a van pool set up to keep the vehicles down to 20 on site.
Wonder how many junction boxes have been covered.........





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Working on a house now that had 117 tradesmen in/on it this past Thursday. Big push to get the house ready for occupancy in the middle of June. The place was like an ant hill on the 4th of July. GC's hair was changing color right before my eyes - brown to gray......
Having the architect on site will do that to you.

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Old 05-20-2007, 06:51 AM
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Now I never hung sheet rock full time, but the board I have hung.......here's my practice with dealing with a sheet that will be hung over a section of wall or ceiling that has an outlet box of some sort:

- take a vertical and horizontal measurement from the ceiling/ wall/ corner or the sheet(s) I am working from to the center of the box
- using a tape measure and a pencil Iíll scribe a line on the sheet I am about to hang.....Iíll scribe this line a foot or so long
- measure over from the edge of the sheet I am about to hang parallel to the line I just scribed, then Iíll give that line a tick with the pencil
- take out my drywall saw and drive the tip of the saw into the crosshair pencil mark and give the saw a quick gouging twist
- put the saw away and hang the sheet with only enough screws to hold the sheet in place......outlet hole(s) is not cut
* all the board is hung but not fully screwed and no holes are cut out
- roto zip the outlet boxes/ holes as per sheet I am fulling screwing in place........my drywall saw gouge mark is easily visible, then Iíll fully screw the sheet up after the hole has been cut.

Thatís my method and Iíve never missed a box (that I know of - ) So Brad, maybe that board that is over that outlet box that you know of has some sort of drywall gouge mark in it as well? If so, all you would have to do is look for other gouge marks in the drywall? And then to double check this would be to lay a straight edge over the wall/ ceiling if you are in doubt.
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Old 05-20-2007, 08:16 AM
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Thanks Garrett. I'll check for the markings you described when I head over there today.
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Old 05-20-2007, 08:28 AM
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..........be very anal about the finishers mudding your walls.........talk to them extensivly about your fears of the paint flashing....tell them to make sure and mudd the entire wall, alot of builders these days only mudd the seams and screws
Mudding the seams and screws is standard practice, mudding the entire wall is done but that is taking it to a different level of finish that you can expect to pay extra for

Thats called "skim coating" when you mud the whole wall or ceiling. It's worth paying the extra money to get that done. We usually have the tapers skim coat where there is a lot of light shining on the walls or ceilings.
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Old 05-20-2007, 10:25 AM
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Garett - 5/20/2007 6:41 AM

HEY LOOOOOOSSSSSER in the LOSER SUIT - get the hell off here, real world problems are trying to be sorted out here.........8 posts of your self inflating bullsh!t is far to much for anyone to take.......GET OUT OF HERE YOU LOSER!!!!!!!!!
Oh well, so much for intelligent conversation.

Looks like Sith season just opened again!

Hey Garret, are you almost a contractor just like you're a building inspector but just don't have the license to prove it? I'm sure you could get the license if you really wanted to!

Dude, get over yourself and that silly Sith suit. It's cutting off the air to your brain, or whatever. Put a vent in it or a cork in it.
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Old 05-20-2007, 10:35 AM
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TN FREEBIRD - 5/20/2007 10:25 AM
Garett - 5/20/2007 6:41 AM HEY LOOOOOOSSSSSER in the LOSER SUIT - get the hell off here, real world problems are trying to be sorted out here.........8 posts of your self inflating bullsh!t is far to much for anyone to take.......GET OUT OF HERE YOU LOSER!!!!!!!!!
Oh well, so much for intelligent conversation. Looks like Sith season just opened again! Hey Garret, are you almost a contractor just like you're a building inspector but just don't have the license to prove it? I'm sure you could get the license if you really wanted to! Dude, get over yourself and that silly Sith suit. It's cutting off the air to your brain, or whatever. Put a vent in it or a cork in it.
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Old 05-20-2007, 10:44 AM
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TN FREEBIRD - 5/20/2007 10:25 AM
Garett - 5/20/2007 6:41 AM HEY LOOOOOOSSSSSER in the LOSER SUIT - get the hell off here, real world problems are trying to be sorted out here.........8 posts of your self inflating bullsh!t is far to much for anyone to take.......GET OUT OF HERE YOU LOSER!!!!!!!!!
Oh well, so much for intelligent conversation. Looks like Sith season just opened again! Hey Garret, are you almost a contractor just like you're a building inspector but just don't have the license to prove it? I'm sure you could get the license if you really wanted to! Dude, get over yourself and that silly Sith suit. It's cutting off the air to your brain, or whatever. Put a vent in it or a cork in it.
There you go again[img]../images/emoticons/cool.gif[/img]

That little fuzzy Canerdian critter started it!

Brad, I'm glad to see you seemed to have settled down. Those guys who are giving you the hardest time are probably just messing with you, or they don't realize how stressful building a home can be as the one paying all the bills and trying to keep up with things!

It's obvious most are trying to help, but give the guy who did the sheetrock work a chance to make good on it. I'm sure he will.

Garret, like I told you on the F15 thread, I'll end this silliness between us anytime you want to stop perpetuating it. Otherwise, Sith season never ends.

Sid, where did you get that picture of my Pappaw?
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Old 05-20-2007, 11:12 AM
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I am glad that I do not work for you Brad1. I am not in the trades but you seem to have an attitude and I suspect that you are the type of person that can never be made happy.

This is your first build and you are only at the dry wall stage, wait until you get to the finish work, you are really going to be a pi$$ing moaner then!

Just you wait and see my friend.
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Old 05-20-2007, 11:34 AM
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I was doing some work on a new house a few years back and the painters were doing some kind of faux finish on the entire first floor( about 2500 sf) that apparently had to be done in stages. They painted all these paint swooshes every couple square feet or so and called it a day and left, about a half hour later the husband of the couple having the house built shows up and flips out, He then proceeds to take the a roll of the blue easy off tape and tears it into little pieces and puts it on all the paint swooshes cussing the whole time about how the drunken painters were going to fix this mess. Well anyway the next day when the painters show up and try to remove the tape, it seems the paint was still wet and the blue tape didn't come off so easy. His wife hit the roof when they had to pay not only for the swooshes to be redone but for the labor to get all that painted on tape off, we could have told him what they were doing but he was a big enough a$$hole that we just sat and watched.
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Old 05-20-2007, 12:31 PM
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fichtion - 5/20/2007 10:12 AM I am glad that I do not work for you Brad1. I am not in the trades but you seem to have an attitude and I suspect that you are the type of person that can never be made happy. This is your first build and you are only at the dry wall stage, wait until you get to the finish work, you are really going to be a pi$$ing moaner then! Just you wait and see my friend.
Well, you would have judged me wrong then fichtion. I can be made happy, I have been made happy, and I give credit where credit is due. I also pay above and beyond for a job well done. Two weeks ago, a plumber stopped by my house (not the one I'm having built, but the one I currently live in). It was a small job, but he did a great job, and he showed up when I needed him to. I asked him what he wanted for his services. I paid him what he wanted, and gave him an extra $200 cash.

I do have expectations for what I am paying. Don't you? I do not like to be expected to settle for subpar when I am paying good money. Just like my employer expects the best I can do for what they're paying me. I expect the same.

So what you basically said fichtion, is I'm the bad guy because I'm unhappy with supbar quaility. Well I'll remember that. Becauseif you ever make a post about anything your unhappy with, be ityour boat, boat motor, car, serive you recieved, or whatever, at that time, you will have made a hypocrite out of yourself. I'll be watching.

Yes, this is the first house I have ever built. When I found the covered box, I did have concerns about electrical fire. Electrical fires do occur. I explained my rational for having decided to not inform the GC of the location of the covered box. I think it was pretty sound reasoning. I'm looking to make sure I am not having an unsafe house built, and this was the first approach I could think of to assist me in that pursuit.As I also explained in a previous post, the GC didn't even ask where it was. So now him not knowing, is as much his responsibility. He knows there is a covered box. He didn't even bother to ask. I am now going to observe whether or not it's properly addressed. As I have also stated in a previous post, some of the other flaws / defects have not been addressed. Perhaps I am niave in this process, but as I said, this is the 1st house I have ever had built.
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Captain Sid - 5/20/2007 10:34 AM I was doing some work on a new house a few years back and the painters were doing some kind of faux finish on the entire first floor( about 2500 sf) that apparently had to be done in stages. They painted all these paint swooshes every couple square feet or so and called it a day and left, about a half hour later the husband of the couple having the house built shows up and flips out, He then proceeds to take the a roll of the blue easy off tape and tears it into little pieces and puts it on all the paint swooshes cussing the whole time about how the drunken painters were going to fix this mess. Well anyway the next day when the painters show up and try to remove the tape, it seems the paint was still wet and the blue tape didn't come off so easy. His wife hit the roof when they had to pay not only for the swooshes to be redone but for the labor to get all that painted on tape off, we could have told him what they were doing but he was a big enough a$$hole that we just sat and watched.
That's why I'm not touching a thing in this house as it's being built. Yes, I am keeping a close eye on things. And for very good reason I'm finding out. If anyone's been reading my previous posts on this thread, you would see that they also made numerous other mistakes on this house. But I'll be darned if I'm going to try to fix anything myself at this point. Otherwise,I'd be to blame.
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fichtion - 5/20/2007 10:12 AM I am glad that I do not work for you Brad1. I am not in the trades but you seem to have an attitude and I suspect that you are the type of person that can never be made happy. This is your first build and you are only at the dry wall stage, wait until you get to the finish work, you are really going to be a pi$$ing moaner then! Just you wait and see my friend.
Just to further my response to you fichtion, what about all of the positive and complementary posts I have made about SIM and Bennett Trim tabs on this site? I have never said anything negative about them here. Purely positive. For that matter, I absolutely rave about Andy and Tom on this website. So thePROOF exists right here on this website that I can be made happy.

So while it may SEEM toYOU that I cannot be made happy, it is aFACT thatYOU judge people without having all of the information. Your the scary one here, not me.

"fichtion" - drop the "h" and you have a great name for yourself.

Now where's my "That was easy" button.
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Old 05-20-2007, 02:41 PM
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Hey Sid, bring the pot back out!

fichtion - 4/20/2007 6:43 PM

TN:

You will be out of here soon.

Man I hope that you are OK.
This in response to me doing nothing more than saying what I do for a living on a Captain's Club thread.

Hope this sheds some light on our buddy there Brad.
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Old 05-20-2007, 04:21 PM
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Just came back from looking at the new house. Located another covered box, and possibly a third. I'm having a hard time making a determination on the third and I don't want to touch anything. For the two that I'm sure about, there is a very slight bulge where the outlet is. The bulge is distributed over a wide enough distance that it's not easy to notice unless your looking for it. I'm sure a straight edge along the wall would show it. Based on what everyone has told me so far on this thread, I'm figuring that somebody will be looking for covered boxes as part of a routine, post drywall hanging process. Besides, the GC has been told that there is a covered box. Regardless, of what you guys said, I now think I made the right choice by not telling him where it is. That way, they have to check all the walls for them. Which was my original intent, but now I'm thinking it's probably something they do anyway regardless. I don't know for sure. And like I said, the GC didn't even ask the location of the covered box when I told him about it last Friday, so he's obviously not to concerned.

The guy that's applying the joint compound was working today. This guy works two full time jobs. He does joint compound work for one employer during the day, then works for someone else on nights and weekends. A very hard working guy. Gotta respect that. I talked to him for a few minutes. I asked him if it was common for electrical boxes to be covered and he said it's not supposed to happen, but it's common. Then he said, "Yeah, I could tell as soon as I got here who the crew was that hung you drywall". I asked why's that? He said, they drive him nuts because about every other screw isn't set deep enough (as in sticking up above the surface of the paper) and he has to spend about a day fixing their work before he can start the dry wall finishing. He said he keeps complaining to his boss, but he doesn't listen. I guess you get what you pay for. And I guess you don't have to pay these dry wall installers too much.

There were some drywall screws laying around and I picked one up to see how long they were. They were about one inch. The length of the screw definately reduces the likelyhood that they hit wiring.

Garrett, no marks on the drywall or on the floor where the outlet boxes are.

The hole in the subfloor of the master bedroom that has been there for a month is still there. What irks me is that of the problems I have told the GC about, never once has he even replied that they would be taken care of, and only two of them have been taken care of. So the GC some of you guys have a bleeding heart for, could definately be doing a better job to assure me that these things would get taken care of. Did you ever stop and think maybe there's a reason I'm getting a little irritated? I know that none of these problems have been monumental, but on the boating forum I hear people complain about similar type of dealings / response from boat dealerships and it seems to irk them too. I don't think it's just me fellas. I would venture to say that if you were in my shoes, you'd be getting irked a little bit too.
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what kind of hole is there in the subfloor
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Hey brad when someone works on your house, They finish go to 50 other houses. The GC is more than likely putting them in order to come back out. If you have to many trades comming back to fix minor mistakes you think are major they start to conspire against you not the GC. Keep nit picking and you'll find that you have quickcrete or something in your plumbing. I saw this in an 8 story condo I was doing trim in. It took about a month for the water to get backed up from the garage to the 7th floor. Most condos 7 on each floor had atleast 6-10 outlets covered.
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Captain Sid - 5/20/2007 3:29 PM what kind of hole is there in the subfloor
Its about the size of a softball. It's not completely through, but more like a flap. When I walk on it, I can see it opening up slightly and feel it giving way under my foot.

There were actually two holes like this. One on the top floor, and one on the downstairs floor. The downstairs hole was worse. It was about the same size, but it was all the way through. Could see basement below. They fixed that one. But not the upstairs one.

Forgot to mention on previous post. Temporary power was knocked out by excavator last Thursday. Looked like a dangerous situation. Called the CG and his electrician to let them know. Electrician said he'd be out to last Thursday evening to take care of it since it sounded dangerous. The finisher told me today that his boss was badly shocked when he attempted to plug something into the temporary power. He said he's Ok though. They're having to use a generator for power. The electrician has not been able to be reached since then.

On another note about the electrician. House comes with standard wiring plan. You meet with Electrician after framing inspection to go over desired electrical add ons. The builder refers to this as the "Electrical Walkthrough". Before anyone starts with me, this is standard procedure for the builder. This is how they operate. They request this. I did not circumvent their process. Anyway, that was on May 1st (a Tuesday). Upon completion of the electrical walkthrough, the electrician tells me he'll call me the next day with the price of the additional items. He doesn't call. I call him on the 3rd to inquire, he says he'll have to get back to me. I visit the house that weekend. All of the electrical work is done, and they did a great job, except the basement subpanel is right where the rough in for the basement shower is. I call the electrician the next day (Monday following the electrical walkthrough) to let him know about the subpanel and to inquire about the cost of the additional items. He said he'll move the subpanel (by the way, the basement shower rough in was clearly marked in the plans, and the drain plumbing is sticking right up out of the floor so you can't miss it) and he'll have to get back to me with the price of the extra items. I call him last Thursday to let him know that the excavator knocked out the power. While I'm talking to him, I asked him if he had that price for me on the electrical add ons. He said he'd let me know the next day (that would be last Friday). Last Friday came and went, and I still didn't get my price. After about the first week of not knowing what the price is going to be, I called the GC to let him know that I would really like to know what it was going to cost me and that the electrician was not getting back to me with the price (the builder hired the electrician, not me). The GC said he'd have the electrician call me. As I mentioned earlier, that never happened. So basically at this point, the electrician is holding a blank check of mine. Not that I literally gave him a blank check, but he went ahead and did the work even though he never called me back to let me know how much the additional items were going to cost, and giving me the opportunity to decide whether or not to spend the money on the additional items.

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captkeven - 5/20/2007 5:19 PM Hey brad when someone works on your house, They finish go to 50 other houses. The GC is more than likely putting them in order to come back out. If you have to many trades comming back to fix minor mistakes you think are major they start to conspire against you not the GC. Keep nit picking and you'll find that you have quickcrete or something in your plumbing. I saw this in an 8 story condo I was doing trim in. It took about a month for the water to get backed up from the garage to the 7th floor. Most condos 7 on each floor had atleast 6-10 outlets covered.
Thanks for the heads up captkeven.

On one hand I've got things that are wrong that need to be fixed. I don't think I should roll over and settle for things not being done right. Fortunately, there has been nothing major so far, but the problems that I have found are genuine problems none-the-less.

The GC needs to let me know that they will be taken care of which he has not done so far. Maybe it's standard procedure to take care of all the items at a certain point in time. But even if that is the case, the GC has made no mention of that being how it works. I sure hope the hole in the subfloor will be fixed before the carpet goes down.The flashing installedincorrectly will cause water damage on the roof. The subpanel inthe shower area, ain't cool. Etc, etc, etc.

I don't think I'm nitpicking by pointing those things out. Andlike I mentioned before, the CG even mentioned that he liked that I'm out there checking up on things.He said it has made his life easier. My concern is that he's taking it too easy. Isay thatcause thingsseem a little sloppy.

Just the same, I'll heed your advice about how I handle things. Thanks man
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