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Old 05-19-2007, 08:58 AM
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thats why i do pluming you can see or smell the problem
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Old 05-19-2007, 09:22 AM
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when they cut it out, be sure to see if there was INSULATION covering the box. Sometimes the insulators cover them and the hangers get blamed. People make mistakes, and this is a very small mistake that's not worth hassling anyone for. I could tell board hanger horror stories until the cows come home, I deal with them every day. I've seen things that would make your Jaw hit the floor.
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tommyr904 - 5/19/2007 7:58 AM thats why i do pluming you can see or smell the problem
An awesome trade

There will always be a demand for plumbers in our lifetime and probably for a long time beyond.

You can't outsource plumbing.

You can't replace plumbers with automation.

Someareas have regulations requiring that only a Master Plumber can do certain types of work. That means someone that just crossed the border won't be taking the work away.
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TunaBomber - 5/19/2007 8:22 AM when they cut it out, be sure to see if there was INSULATION covering the box. Sometimes the insulators cover them and the hangers get blamed. People make mistakes, and this is a very small mistake that's not worth hassling anyone for. I could tell board hanger horror stories until the cows come home, I deal with them every day. I've seen things that would make your Jaw hit the floor.
Thanks TunaBomber.

Prior to hanging the dry wall, there were not any boxes that I had seen which had insulation over it. Actually, I was very impressed with the job the insulators did. Those folks were prefectionists. Not a single gap around any of the framing, and not a single tear in the facing. It looked like something right out of an Owens Corning ad.

The electrician and the plumber have done an outstanding job as well. As did the masonary guys and the framers. And yes, I have conveyed that positive feedback to the GC.
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Old 05-19-2007, 11:44 AM
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OUTLET BOXES - Figure a framing hammer's height off the floor (no hard fast rule here) every 6' apart (code) - some exceptions on small walls
LIGHT SWITCHES - Figure chest/ nipple height (no hard fast rule here)
LIGHT FIXTURES - anywhere the customer wants to put them - I can't think of any exceptions
KITCHEN COUNTER OUTLET BOXES - approx. 44" off the floor to the center of the box & not more than 36" apart (code)
* then there is frig, microwave, garborator, trash compactors, kitchen island outlets, service areas, computer outlets, bathroom wall outlets, gas fireplaces, furnace, automatic closet door light switches, service outlets by breaker panel, exterior outlets, garage outlets all have there own height requirements.

For the trained eye it would take longer to walk from room to room then it would to verify if all the outlets are where they should be.
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tommyr904 - 5/19/2007 8:58 AM

thats why i do pluming you can see or smell the problem


You reminded me of a classy home that I worked in to do some upgrades(wine cellar, bookcase and cabinets and change a few doors etc.).
When I walked in the door the first day I could smell sewer gas. When I asked them about it, they said they use to notice something but hadn't for awhile. They'd gotten use to it I guess.
One of the last parts pf the project was to move some stereo stuff and install the cabinets and bookcase. Apparently, they were going to put a wet bar in on one wall of the living room and changed their mind. The drain opening was sticking out of wall,without a cap, and had been for the last 5 or so years they'd been living in the house.

I was absolutely amazed.
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Old 05-19-2007, 02:42 PM
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Brad1 - 5/19/2007 8:39 AM

Your ASSumption is that the same electrician that ran the wiring and installed the boxes, will be the same one that they send out to do the small amount of work remaining. He might send out a junior guy for that.

Third, you fail (as you probably do often in life) to realize that none of that would have to be done if the dry wall installers didn't cover over the outlet box(es) in the first place.
Small amount of work? I do not think so Brad. You better hope the electrician does not send one junior guy to finish the job.

And for what it is worth at this point - A good hanging crew will cover the boxes (on purpose) and then zip them out - most efficient way to hang board.

As Garett noted - to the trained eye, spotting a covered box takes no time at all.

Relax - you still have colors to pick out!!!
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What else do you expect from a Brad.
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Relax - you still have colors to pick out!!!
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Old 05-19-2007, 07:12 PM
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Everyone who contemplates having a house built should be REQUIRED to watch "Mr. Blanding Builds His Dream House". The scene where the wife picks colors and tells the painter is worth the watch..."Blue, but not just any blue, robins egg blue...." God bless paint color decks!

The contractor is hired to manage/run the job. The owners responsibility is to support and pay the contractor. No wonder BIG builders don't allow the owner on the job without permission.

I ask people.."how many people do ya think it takes to build yer house? 30? Try 500. Between all the subs, from lot clearing to clean-up, 500 different people will be on the jobsite..contractors aren't builders, they're personnel managers/baby sitters. How many different crews to do the sheetrock? 5..stock, hang, finish, spray, punch. Frankly, I don't know how some drywall contractors get workers comp...ever see 'em stand on an empty mud bucket and waddle around the floor finishing the ceiling?

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Brad1 - 5/18/2007 9:47 AM



Just1more, Thanks for the name of the device. Consider me put in my place.

Tireless, I was replying to someone else. But thanks again for mentioning the sound wave test.

Everyone, I've never had a home built before. I understand that mistakes will be made. And believe me, this issue with the covered up box was not the first mistake. Actually, there have been about 1/2 dozen so far. And I have kindly mentioned them to the GC. Some have been corrected, while some have not. The box behind the wall was the first that I consider to be a genuine safety issue. Again, let me emphasize that it is not this one box that is the issue. It is the boxes that are covered and not known about that are the issue. To those who put me down for getting worked up over this. How would you feel if you knew there was a possibility of an exposed live wire behind your wall, but you didn't know where it is. Not to mention your paying a quarter million dollars to be in that situation. Maybe your family's safety doesn't mean much to you, but mine matters alot to me. Trust me. I don't like screwing people. That is not my motivation. But if it comes down to screw, or get screwed, I prefer to give rather than receive.
Just curious - what do you do for a living? It must be nice being perfect, This may be th first house you are having built, but with this attitude how do you sleep at night under any roof, or get an a car, or a boat or anything for that matter, I mean if you didn't see it being built how do you know you are safe? Maybe the boat builder has a worker having a bad day the day he laid up the hull. Or, Oh my god are there any wires too close to my exhaust or fuel tank. There is some help for someone like you, run do not walk to the nearest mental health facility you can find. But don't eat from the cafeteria - heaven only knows what goes on in that kitchen where they are preparing your food. In fact I'd go to the ER now just to get a check, but then again how do you know the Dr. did not cheat on his boards?

You sir are one sick puppy
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Old 05-19-2007, 07:42 PM
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Working on a house now that had 117 tradesmen in/on it this past Thursday. Big push to get the house ready for occupancy in the middle of June. The place was like an ant hill on the 4th of July. GC's hair was changing color right before my eyes - brown to gray......
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You know what, I thought about it some more. You are right, How many others did he miss? Better tear the whole thing down and start over....
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how much does it cost?......$40 an hour.......$60 if you watch.......$100 if you help
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mako steve.........15 years ago i was working for a very famous architect.....he had a few partners and was building a spec house in a very nice spot......after it was all framed and most of the ply wood was on he asked me what i thought....i told him the truth...it sucked.....tore it back to the deck (except one steel ridge) the next day....partners were not amused............he was well known for making drastic changes in the middle of construction
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It happens all the time. Check the blueprints to see if any other boxes are covered. Look for the bulge in the sheetrock and take a small hammer and put a hole in it. Now that you located the box, pull the wires out, making sure you have all of them. Once the wires are pulled out take a small saw and follow the shape of the box. Be carefull, don't nick the wires.



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mymojo - 5/19/2007 7:42 PM

Working on a house now that had 117 tradesmen in/on it this past Thursday. Big push to get the house ready for occupancy in the middle of June. The place was like an ant hill on the 4th of July. GC's hair was changing color right before my eyes - brown to gray......
Having the architect on site will do that to you.

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Just1more, Thanks for the name of the device. Consider me put in my place.

Tireless, I was replying to someone else. But thanks again for mentioning the sound wave test.

Everyone, I've never had a home built before. I understand that mistakes will be made. And believe me, this issue with the covered up box was not the first mistake. Actually, there have been about 1/2 dozen so far. And I have kindly mentioned them to the GC. Some have been corrected, while some have not. The box behind the wall was the first that I consider to be a genuine safety issue. Again, let me emphasize that it is not this one box that is the issue. It is the boxes that are covered and not known about that are the issue. To those who put me down for getting worked up over this. How would you feel if you knew there was a possibility of an exposed live wire behind your wall, but you didn't know where it is. Not to mention your paying a quarter million dollars to be in that situation. Maybe your family's safety doesn't mean much to you, but mine matters alot to me. Trust me. I don't like screwing people. That is not my motivation. But if it comes down to screw, or get screwed, I prefer to give rather than receive.
Just curious - what do you do for a living? It must be nice being perfect, This may be th first house you are having built, but with this attitude how do you sleep at night under any roof, or get an a car, or a boat or anything for that matter, I mean if you didn't see it being built how do you know you are safe? Maybe the boat builder has a worker having a bad day the day he laid up the hull. Or, Oh my god are there any wires too close to my exhaust or fuel tank. There is some help for someone like you, run do not walk to the nearest mental health facility you can find. But don't eat from the cafeteria - heaven only knows what goes on in that kitchen where they are preparing your food. In fact I'd go to the ER now just to get a check, but then again how do you know the Dr. did not cheat on his boards? You sir are one sick puppy
Yeah, and I guess hiding behind your computer throwing insults at people makes you feel like a man.
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idigitu88 - 5/18/2007 6:08 AM Then the trim guy will most likely Nail through a pipe. Keep those pictures ready......
Happened to me on a basement finishing job, but the nail was shot through the pipe between the shutoff valve and the outside faucet during the winter. The water was turned on and no one went into the basement for two weeks. Then one of the kids did and came running up saying there was water in the basement. You know the rest - a long clean-up job and you never see the contractor again. Fortunately, the leak was small so there was "only" a couple hundred gallons of water in the basement.
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Old 05-19-2007, 11:44 PM
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Hey Brad, If you really want to be pissed take a 4' level and try and find a plumb wall[img]../images/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/img]
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