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Old 05-09-2007, 01:38 PM
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I did not Swopes this but it is an interesting read....
Payback is a wonderful thing!



Do you remember when Puerto Rico was raising heck about the US Navy using that nothing little island just off the coast of Puerto Rico for bombing practices which they had used for the past 75 years? Demonstrations were held, Hollywood left wingers, Al Sharpton, and his fellow demagogues went down there to demonstrate to get the Navy out? I am sure it infuriated you just as it did me at the time. Well, here is our revenge. Always be careful what you ask for, you just may get it!



One of the many headaches that the U. S. has had was the Puerto Rican Island of Vieques. In the waning years of the Clinton Administration protesters demanded that the US Navy abandon bombing and naval gunfire exercises that had taken place on the largely uninhabited island for nearly seventy years. Liberal icons bumped into one another to fly to Puerto Rico, boat over to the island, trespass (but never on a day that there was an exercise scheduled) and get arrested for the benefit of the New York Times or Newsweek. They included the Reverend Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Joan Baez, Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., Edward Olmos, Michael Moore and Ramsey Clark, just to name a few. In 2002, the bombing exercises were transferred to an Air Force bombing range in central Florida, not far from the Jacksonville and Pensacola Naval Air Stations. In January, many of the protesters were back in Puerto Rico, celebrating the final bombing exercise on Vieques and waved Puerto Rican flags and placards tht read "U. S. Navy, get out of Puerto Rico."



The following February, Rumsfeld announced that the U. S. Navy will close the Roosevelt Roads Naval Air Station in Puerto Rico in 2004, eliminating 1200 civilian jobs as well as 700 military positions. This naval facility is estimated to have put nearly $300 million annually into the local economy.



The next day a stunned Governor Sila Calderon, held a news conference in San Juan, protesting the base closure as a serious blow to the Commonwealth's fragile economy. The governor stated that "The people of Puerto Rico don't now or never did have an interest in closing the Vieques bombing range or the Roosevelt Roads naval base. We are interested in both staying in Puerto Rico "



When asked, the Commander-in Chief, Western Atlantic Command, said, "Without Vieques, I see no further need for the facility at Roosevelt Roads. None."



So, Yankee go home? Fine. But we'll take our dollars with us. Hasta la vista, baby!



On February 21, the Secretary of Defense also announced that starting this year, the U. S. European Command would begin moving most, if not all, of its active combat and support units from bases in Germany to others being established in Poland, The Czech Republic, Hungary and Turkey to "better position them for rapid deployment to likely hot spots in those parts of the world." Immediately the business and government leaders in the German states of Hesse, Rhineland and Wurttemburg, protested the loss of nearly $6 billion US revenue each year from the bases and manpower to be displaced. A spokesman for the Foreign Ministry speculated that the move may be "what the Americans call 'payback' for the actions of this government in opposing Military action in Iraq ".



"Does anyone know the German translation for: "Hasta la vista, baby?" I think "Aufwiedersehen, linesmen" is a good translation.



Oh, isn't it nice to see a government with guts and a good memory.



Also, here are some statistics and conclusions about a different subject. If you consider that there has been an average of 160,000 troops in the Iraq theatre of operations during the last 22 months, and a total of 2,112 deaths,(when this was written) that gives a firearm death rate of 60 per 100,000 soldiers. The firearm death rate in Washington D. C. is 80.6 per 100,000 for the same period.



That means that you are about 25% more likely to be shot and killed in the U. S. Capitol, which has some of the strictest gun control laws in the nation, than you are in Iraq. Conclusion: The U. S. should pull out of Washington.

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Old 05-09-2007, 02:07 PM
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You are VERY aptly named.
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Old 05-09-2007, 04:07 PM
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On March 31, 2004, the United States closed its Roosevelt Roads Naval Station on mainland Puerto Rico. A skeleton staff of 200, down from approximately 1200 civilian and 700 military personnel, stayed on at the facility until the transfer of the property was completed. The closure of the base at Roosevelt Roads resulted in a substantial financial loss to the economy of Puerto Rico that the Navy estimates at $250 million a year. Admiral Robert Natter, commander of the Atlantic Fleet, is on record as saying: "Without Vieques there is no way I need the Navy facilities at Roosevelt Roads — none. It's a drain on Defense Department and taxpayer dollars."

Nevertheless, the government of Puerto Rico is seizing the opportunity and has announced the airport at the base will be reopened, and will become a major Caribbean air cargo hub, relieving Luis Muñoz Marín International Airport and extending its useful life indefinitely without the need for property expansion. It will also be used to centralize general aviation activities now dispersed over several municipal airports, saving the Puerto Rico Ports Authority significant sums of money on maintenance and other costs. Other plans are in motion to make use of other sections of the former base to benefit the local economy. A large portion of the undeveloped land in the property is being set aside for ecological preservation.
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Caveman, have you been to Vieques and talked to the folks there? I have (in English and Spanish). If the same issues (dangerous dummy bombs being dropped on coral reefs, loss of use of island, loss of tourism, etc.) had occurred in the continental US (e.g., in Pensacola) and the people had opposed the base as overwhelmingly as they did in Puerto Rico, there would have been just as much outrage. And, this was not a cause for "liberal icons" as you so villanously describe them, it was a case of an unneeded base (by the military's own statements) hindering the local folks. Closure for the base was overwhelmingly supported by the Puerto Rican people.

As for Roosevelt Base, I'm glad to see the industrious people of Puerto Rico are using it to their advantage.

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Old 05-09-2007, 06:27 PM
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Don't piss in my direction. The whole thing was a quote. As for the title, that was the subject of the email that was sent to me. As for being to Vieques, I have. Spent 5 years in the USVI and we would sail/fish/dive near it on a weekly basis. Did not really seem to bother anyone I knew. I posted it for conversation only as I figured some members on the THT live near there or have some other information about how true the article may have been. As for my user name, it is brand/make of my favorite Wahoo lure, not a human being that resides in a hole in the ground. I don't have a dog in this fight but since greyg8r is such an expert, there are many bombing ranges here is the U.S. including one within 50 miles of my house. I have a couple close friends on P.R. and visit them whenever I can and have nothing against the island or its' people. Anything else?
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Old 05-09-2007, 09:11 PM
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Oh, go paint a mural or something!
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Old 05-09-2007, 09:50 PM
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They DO miss our $$$ when the bases close!

Payback? Absolutely!

Get a wheel Leftie!
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