Go Back  The Hull Truth - Boating and Fishing Forum > BOATING FORUMS > Dockside Chat
Reload this Page >

Thinking of crossing over to the dark side........

Notices

Thinking of crossing over to the dark side........

Old 04-24-2007, 10:23 AM
  #1  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Jacksonville, Florida, US
Posts: 14,527
Default Thinking of crossing over to the dark side........

Was at the Jax boat show on Sunday.

My boat is on the market and I was thinking of moving to smaller, newer, quicker powerboat. perhaps a Sea Ray or Regal in the 36 range.

Then I went on board a couple of Hunter 41 Sailboats.

Hmmmmmmmmm.

Menzies is offline  
Old 04-24-2007, 10:28 AM
  #2  
Senior MemberCaptains Club Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: east hampton ny usa
Posts: 2,244
Default Re: Thinking of crossing over to the dark side........

fuel is sure cheaper........i like both...and even though at the moment i own a sport fish....i love to sail and paddle
randall is offline  
Old 04-24-2007, 11:15 AM
  #3  
Senior MemberCaptains Club Member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Trabuco Canyon CA
Posts: 2,953
Default Re: Thinking of crossing over to the dark side........

I'm with Randall on that one - I started out a sailor and only switched to power about 10-yrs ago.

You can't beat the quite, but if you ever have to run from the weather......look out.......
FearNaut is offline  
Old 04-24-2007, 12:30 PM
  #4  
Senior MemberCaptains Club Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Miami Beach, FL
Posts: 1,750
Default Re: Thinking of crossing over to the dark side........

I was a sailor as a kid. Opti class, many regattas, great times. I still race committee occasionally. Going from a wind to a power was simply put the easiest transition of all. IMO only sailors can truly understand boat handling. sailors all have patience.
Dsaltydog is offline  
Old 04-24-2007, 01:44 PM
  #5  
Senior MemberCaptains Club Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: On The Tenna Sea
Posts: 6,212
Default Re: Thinking of crossing over to the dark side........

I've never owned a large sailboat myself, but I ran across a guy with a 44' PDQ cat when I was moving a 70 Hatteras last January from Charleston to Ft Myers. That was the first time I'd ever been on a cat of that type and was very impressed.

It had twin Yanmars which would push it at about 8 knots as I recall the owner stating while getting some very impressive numbers on fuel economy. Layout was great and the thought of unlimited range under sail has its appeal for sure. Definitely a contender for post-retirement thoughts of island hopping on a permanent basis.

I would think the biggest problem with a boat like that would be dock space. You'd have to be on a T dock or other open spot to ever be able to fit that wide beam.
TN FREEBIRD is offline  
Old 04-24-2007, 02:58 PM
  #6  
Senior MemberCaptains Club Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: NJ
Posts: 1,432
Default Re: Thinking of crossing over to the dark side........

Step away from the light Carol Ann!
mb_24 is offline  
Old 04-24-2007, 03:02 PM
  #7  
Senior MemberCaptains Club MemberPLEDGER
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Dartmouth MA
Posts: 5,759
Default RE: Thinking of crossing over to the dark side........

Menzies - try and get a few sails on the newer production sail boats to see if you like it. You're coming from a big, heavy boat that is probably pretty stable - some of the newer production sail boats can be a little tender - even the 40' plus ones. Friend has 36' C&C sailboat with a nice deep keel and its night and day over some of the other boats I've been on.
Someday I'll probably go back to sail too - like fishing too much now though.
mymojo is offline  
Old 04-24-2007, 03:18 PM
  #8  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Jacksonville, Florida, US
Posts: 14,527
Default Re: Thinking of crossing over to the dark side........

I started sailing the west coast of Ireland at age 11. Went on to both round-the-buoy and off-shore racing - usually in 36-40 footers. Normally full keel blue water boats, so I hear you on the finger keels! However one thing I do like is the increase in beam. The boats I sailed in were of the old narrow beam designs. Today's boats are a lot beamier - the 41 I was on had a beam over 13 feet at the widest! I would imagine that would help the ride.

NE Florida isn't conducive to sailing (ICW or Atlantic is the choice) so I decided to go power when I came here. However there is always the St John's for sailing and the ICW and smaller rivers for motoring into.

We'll see when I get PASSAGE sold.
Menzies is offline  
Old 04-24-2007, 03:43 PM
  #9  
Senior MemberCaptains Club Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Jacksonville, FL
Posts: 1,052
Default RE: Thinking of crossing over to the dark side........

Menzies - 4/24/2007 10:23 AM

Was at the Jax boat show on Sunday.

My boat is on the market and I was thinking of moving to smaller, newer, quicker powerboat. perhaps a Sea Ray or Regal in the 36 range.

Then I went on board a couple of Hunter 41 Sailboats.

Hmmmmmmmmm.
Did you get on the 51 Bertram? Were you impressed?
Atlantis is offline  
Old 04-24-2007, 03:48 PM
  #10  
Senior MemberCaptains Club Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: North East
Posts: 5,938
Default Re: Thinking of crossing over to the dark side........

Depends on how often you get on the water and what you want to do once you get out. Sailors go out just to be out on the water and not really to get from point A to point B while us power boaters like to get from A to B as quickly as possible and don't care what happens in between unless we are fishing.

Hunter makes a nice boat and the fit and finish is very nice! Your entire outlook on life will change if you go over to the dark side. Sailing will relax you (unless you do it to compete) and it will be tough to compare power boating to sailing.

Keep in mind a large sailboat is a bit more difficult to handle compared to a powerboat. You can't just turn the key and untie from the dock and get going.
FireFly is offline  
Old 04-24-2007, 04:15 PM
  #11  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Jacksonville, Florida, US
Posts: 14,527
Default RE: Thinking of crossing over to the dark side........

Atlantis256X - 4/24/2007 3:43 PM

Menzies - 4/24/2007 10:23 AM

Was at the Jax boat show on Sunday.

My boat is on the market and I was thinking of moving to smaller, newer, quicker powerboat. perhaps a Sea Ray or Regal in the 36 range.

Then I went on board a couple of Hunter 41 Sailboats.

Hmmmmmmmmm.
Did you get on the 51 Bertram? Were you impressed?
Nope, I stood on the upper dock and looked down on it though. No sense going on board something I am downsizing away from, and would never have the money to buy anyway!

Menzies is offline  
Old 04-24-2007, 04:20 PM
  #12  
Senior MemberCaptains Club MemberPLEDGER
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Dartmouth MA
Posts: 5,759
Default Re: Thinking of crossing over to the dark side........

Menzies - my all time favorite sail boats if I were to switch back to the dark side would be Pacific Seacraft, Tartan and Sabres assuming I could come up with the not inconsiderable $$$ for any of those three. Worth a look IMHO.
mymojo is offline  
Old 04-24-2007, 04:35 PM
  #13  
Senior MemberCaptains Club Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Wilmington, NC
Posts: 388
Default RE: Thinking of crossing over to the dark side........

I'm personally not impressed with Hunters, new or old. I live on and sail an Island Packet 40. The boat and our travels on her represent my life's dream. I worked hard to buy that boat and I love every day that I get to live aboard and cruise. We have gone from Florida through the Bahamas and up and down the Eastern Caribbean and coast of South America on that boat. Next year, we'll be in the Western Caribbean. There are pics of the boat on our website www.ipphotos.com/eventyr.

My boat holds 90 gallons of diesel and is driven, when needed, by a 4-cylinder Yanmar. I burn about 0.8-1.0 gph at a cruising speed of 7 knots. The sails have a dramatic effect on range, of course. On a passage from St. Croix to Venezuela, a trip of nearly 400 miles, I burned less than 4 gallons of fuel. She is very stable and carries 10,000 lbs of lead in her keel.

There are a lot of great builders out there in this size range. Sabre, Tartan and others already mentioned plus Cabo Rico, Saga, Island Packet, Hallberg Rassy, and many others.

See you on the other side.
ConchCruzer is offline  
Old 04-24-2007, 04:41 PM
  #14  
Senior MemberCaptains Club Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Madeira Beach , FL
Posts: 356
Default Re: Thinking of crossing over to the dark side........

I am dissapointed, I thought Menzies was going to become a Republican.
captddis is offline  
Old 04-24-2007, 04:48 PM
  #15  
Senior MemberCaptains Club MemberPLEDGER
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Whitesboro, texas
Posts: 8,050
Default Re: Thinking of crossing over to the dark side........

If I had to cross over I would take my cousins Cal 46 .

I got to stay with them in Mexico for a week [ Satori was the mother ship to my CC ]
and did day trips out of Long Beach Ca. S he is now in Pensacola Fl. and I'll be there in June for a couple weeks with my Pacific.

welder is offline  
Old 04-24-2007, 04:52 PM
  #16  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Jacksonville, Florida, US
Posts: 14,527
Default Re: Thinking of crossing over to the dark side........

Conch, I'm guessing most of those boats you mention are full keel? How did you do when you were on the shallow waters of the Bahamas Bank?
Menzies is offline  
Old 04-24-2007, 05:24 PM
  #17  
Senior MemberCaptains Club MemberPLEDGER
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Jax Fla,Horseshoe Beach Fla
Posts: 13,398
Default RE: Thinking of crossing over to the dark side........

Menzies if you wanna see a bad to the bone sail boat.look at the yellow one thats parked at the old marina on sj johns blvd.where they are building the new condos by roosevelt mall.that is an awsome sailboat.
tommyr904 is offline  
Old 04-24-2007, 05:59 PM
  #18  
Senior MemberCaptains Club Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Raleigh & Surf City, NC
Posts: 12,836
Default Re: Thinking of crossing over to the dark side........

Attention all u sailboat boys, Saks has some nice skirts.
baypro21 is offline  
Old 04-24-2007, 06:11 PM
  #19  
Senior MemberPLEDGERCaptains Club Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Delray Beach/Davie
Posts: 2,195
Default Re: Thinking of crossing over to the dark side........

I have a few thousand miles of bluewater sailing experience.
If you're planning on a monohull you will need a pretty deep draft to get good performance out of the boat.
That's going to keep you off of good portions of either Bahama Bank.
If I was in the used sailboat market a mid 80's Swan would be at the top of my list.
For cruising the banks I would look hard at a cat. Faster than a mono and less draft. Downside is that very small but present chance of pitchpoling or flipping it. The cat will be more stable at anchor.
As with all boats, there are tradeoffs.
endoman is offline  
Old 04-24-2007, 06:44 PM
  #20  
Senior MemberCaptains Club Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Wilmington, NC
Posts: 388
Default RE: Thinking of crossing over to the dark side........

The draft on my Island Packet is 3'10" and yes it is a full keel. I chose this boat with access to the Florida Keys and Bahamas in mind. It is shallower than most full keel boats and yet very stable. I do not sail to windward as well as deep draft fin keel boats, but generally point as well as most of the cats. My boat will probably go anywhere that your current boat will, i.e. the draft is probably equal or nearly so.

There are upsides and downsides to both cats and monos. The cat that was mentioned, the 44' PDQ, is an awesome boat. It is very expensive though, as are most quality cruising catamarans. If the cost was equal, I would absolutely take the PDQ over my island packet for island hopping.

You don't have to give up fishing if you switch to sail. I've landed (and eaten!) YFT, Kingfish, Mahi's, etc. on my boat.

If you have any questions, feel free to PM me.
ConchCruzer is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread