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SurferGirl 04-22-2007 10:49 PM

Hurricane/Storm-shutter / window-protection ideas?
 
Other than plywood?
And other than some system that would require total window replacement or taking the walls apart to have some integrated system? We really like those windows with built-on external shutters that close with an easy flip of the control at the the inside of the window frame -- those are wonderful! But since we already have perfectly good windows, we would like to have other, more practical ideas for now__
Something practical, effective, reusable, and easy enough for either of us to put in place when the need arises? Would appreciate suggestions.

Captain Sid 04-22-2007 11:04 PM

RE: Hurricane/Storm-shutter / window-protection ideas?
 
I wouldn't go with anything less than 1/2" diamond plate steel with titanium cross members on 8" centers, it's the only way to be sure.[img]../images/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/img]

Sea Six 04-22-2007 11:09 PM

Re: Hurricane/Storm-shutter / window-protection ideas?
 
I went through this about 3 years ago and was given 5 options - window replacements, vertical electric roll-downs, horizontal accordian shutters, metal shutter panels, and wind abatement screens. Basically in that order according to cost. Plywood is not an option. We went with the wind abatement screens because they were Dade County approved (highest level of protection), easy to install, light weight, easy to store, and least expensive. They are similar to the safety covers put over swimming pools during the winter months up north. Also, they allow you to see out when they are installed, they let light into the house so it isn't like a tomb inside, and you can cut your way out if need be due to a fire or some other emergency. We leave them up all season on the windows we don't even look out because it also saves on the A/C cost by cuttting out the amount of sunlight into the house. I can store all the panels for my whole house in a duffle bag that hangs in the garage when they aren't needed.

SurferGirl 04-22-2007 11:24 PM

Re: Hurricane/Storm-shutter / window-protection ideas?
 

Sea Six - 4/22/2007 10:09 PM

I went through this about 3 years ago and was given 5 options - window replacements, vertical electric roll-downs, horizontal accordian shutters, metal shutter panels, and wind abatement screens. Basically in that order according to cost. Plywood is not an option. We went with the wind abatement screens because they were Dade County approved (highest level of protection), easy to install, light weight, easy to store, and least expensive. They are similar to the safety covers put over swimming pools during the winter months up north. Also, they allow you to see out when they are installed, they let light into the house so it isn't like a tomb inside, and you can cut your way out if need be due to a fire or some other emergency. We leave them up all season on the windows we don't even look out because it also saves on the A/C cost by cuttting out the amount of sunlight into the house. I can store all the panels for my whole house in a duffle bag that hangs in the garage when they aren't needed.
Please, how are the wind abatement screens put on?

Joe 04-22-2007 11:34 PM

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Captain Sid - 4/22/2007 11:04 PM

I wouldn't go with anything less than 1/2" diamond plate steel with titanium cross members on 8" centers, it's the only way to be sure.[img]../images/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/img]
Now that's a THT answer if I've ever heard one!!! ;cool;

SurferGirl 04-22-2007 11:34 PM

RE: Hurricane/Storm-shutter / window-protection ideas?
 

Captain Sid - 4/22/2007 10:04 PM

I wouldn't go with anything less than 1/2" diamond plate steel with titanium cross members on 8" centers, it's the only way to be sure.[img]../images/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/img]
Sounds like another great idea for a free hands-on seminar. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Captain Sid 04-22-2007 11:42 PM

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I'll load up the plasma cutter and the duct tape and be right over.[img]../images/emoticons/cool.gif[/img]

welder 04-22-2007 11:56 PM

Re: Hurricane/Storm-shutter / window-protection ideas?
 
I would go with the vertical roll downs .

Goto porto'conner.com then find Larry's harbor and look at the houses/windows

they do have a man. opp. on them in case there is no power.

aint cheap but they are way easy to use, push the button. :thumbsup:


welder 04-22-2007 11:59 PM

RE: Hurricane/Storm-shutter / window-protection ideas?
 

Captain Sid - 4/22/2007 10:04 PM

I wouldn't go with anything less than 1/2" diamond plate steel with titanium cross members on 8" centers, it's the only way to be sure.[img]../images/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/img]
Sid , you should know after much research the cross members must be on 6" centers for normal size windows.

:grin:

SurferGirl 04-23-2007 12:02 AM

Re: Hurricane/Storm-shutter / window-protection ideas?
 
Thank you. I have seen some aluminum roll-up ones that are labelled advising against any lubrication__I do not know how difficult it would be to open and close them manually, though (?)

welder 04-23-2007 12:08 AM

Re: Hurricane/Storm-shutter / window-protection ideas?
 
If you have to put them down , they go down.

When time to raise and the power might still be out call the neighbor kid over.
Also if you have to put them down due to a storm or a long vacation you may not want to raise them for a while for security reasons.


Captain Sid 04-23-2007 12:10 AM

RE: Hurricane/Storm-shutter / window-protection ideas?
 

welder - 4/22/2007 11:59 PM

Captain Sid - 4/22/2007 10:04 PM I wouldn't go with anything less than 1/2" diamond plate steel with titanium cross members on 8" centers, it's the only way to be sure.[img]../images/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/img]
Sid , you should know after much research the cross members must be on 6" centers for normal size windows. :grin:
Your right Welder, I was thinking of curtain rod supports.[img]../images/emoticons/banghead.gif[/img]

cerichcreek 04-23-2007 01:06 AM

Re: Hurricane/Storm-shutter / window-protection ideas?
 
I used the aluminum panels in the Keys for 10 years. The tracking stayed up all year long making installation relatively easy. I was able to put up the panels myself and I weighed less than 100 lbs at the time. They are somewhat awkward but easy enough once you get used to them. They did block out light and they did make it hot but more than adequately deflected the random flying coconut from the beach.

billinstuart 04-23-2007 08:12 AM

Re: Hurricane/Storm-shutter / window-protection ideas?
 
Whatever you use beside plywood, if it (the whole system) doesn't have Miami-Dade Hurricane approval, meaning it's been tested, don't buy it.

GOKAT 04-23-2007 08:14 AM

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Go to www.storm-stoppers.com. These translucent corrugated plastic panels install with a "super Velcro" type material and are light and easy to handle. Noticed that Lowes carries a similar product, at a lower price.

Glen E 04-23-2007 09:16 AM

Re: Hurricane/Storm-shutter / window-protection ideas?
 
In my neighborhood the ones that seem the easiest are the aluminum corrugated panels that insert into a track on the top and then wing nut on the botton. Some are vice -versa..My neighbor puts his whole house up in an hour or two and is 75 years old. (Yes, I help him when we need to work fast)

Sea Six 04-23-2007 09:55 AM

Re: Hurricane/Storm-shutter / window-protection ideas?
 
SurferGirl - With the wind abatement screens, they install a small track along both sides of your windows that short bolt heads can slide into. The screens have metal grommets in them about a foot apart that go over the bolts in the tracks. Then you can use a rechargable electric drill with an attachment for the wing nuts you screw on the bolts to hold the screens to the tracks. The screens are very light compared to metal panels and easy to install. Just a little labor intensive to put on all the wing nuts. When you're done, you can roll up all the panles and stuff them in a duffle bag abd hang it in your garage, so they don't take up a lot of space.

Sea Six 04-23-2007 10:33 AM

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PS here's a site that shows you what they look like:

http://www.tropicalstormshield.com/indexD.htm

billinstuart 04-23-2007 05:30 PM

Re: Hurricane/Storm-shutter / window-protection ideas?
 
I agree with the aluminum panels..they have withstood the test of time. However, the oft overlooked aspect is HOW the retaining track is attached to the building. The best shutters will do no good if the track is held on with a couple nails.

Reel Obsession 04-23-2007 05:48 PM

Re: Hurricane/Storm-shutter / window-protection ideas?
 
Go with the corragated panels, easy to install, lightweight, and store one on top another. And, they are Dade County approved. We have installed on several homes on the Outer Banks and our homeowners love them.

Seacat FL 04-23-2007 08:24 PM

Re: Hurricane/Storm-shutter / window-protection ideas?
 
I use aluminum panels similar to these:
http://www.eastcoastshutters.com/storm.html

Best bang for the buck.

rkatz 04-23-2007 09:39 PM

Re: Hurricane/Storm-shutter / window-protection ideas?
 
I have had steel and aluminum panels. DO NOT get steel, whatever you do. The aluminum is acceptable, if you have a one story house with not a lot of windows. I have invested in accordion shutters since. Sure, they're not as nice as something you could take down. They are manual. If installed correctly, they should be able to be opened from inside or out (with a key).

I love them. My entire house is done in less than ten minutes. Then I go help my neighbors. :)

There is one other very cool plus. When Wilma blew threw here, we were without power for a little over two weeks. I live very close to some not so very nice areas. The first night, I heard there was looting within a few blocks of my home. I went outside, closed all the shutters with the lock and then I was also able to leave some windows open for ventilation.

I figured if anyone tried to get in, I would hear them trying to get through the shutters and it would give me plenty of time to load my shotgun. ;) Needless to say, I slept much, much better knowing my family was secure.

Just my .02.

BlueMarlin 04-24-2007 04:18 AM

Re: Hurricane/Storm-shutter / window-protection ideas?
 
all good suggestions.... we just finished rebuilding from Katrina and have all dade county approved impact glass windows and doors.... not cheap... but easy....just lock the door and walk away.

billinstuart 04-24-2007 07:14 AM

Re: Hurricane/Storm-shutter / window-protection ideas?
 
Ya gotta remember..the impact doors/windows are not water penetratioon rated to the same wind speed as for impact...in other words..they can/and often do, LEAK!

SurferGirl 06-03-2007 10:13 AM

RE: Hurricane/Storm-shutter / window-protection ideas?
 

Sea Six - 4/23/2007 8:55 AM

SurferGirl - With the wind abatement screens, they install a small track along both sides of your windows that short bolt heads can slide into. The screens have metal grommets in them about a foot apart that go over the bolts in the tracks. Then you can use a rechargable electric drill with an attachment for the wing nuts you screw on the bolts to hold the screens to the tracks. The screens are very light compared to metal panels and easy to install. Just a little labor intensive to put on all the wing nuts. When you're done, you can roll up all the panles and stuff them in a duffle bag abd hang it in your garage, so they don't take up a lot of space.
I have decided to go with those windscreens across all the windows and doors having glass because I expect that after the initial installation is done I could manage to put them up and take them down myself. I could not lift a drill so far to operate it but I could turn wing-nuts by hand.
There is brick around all the windows and doors having glass so we will be able to put on the attachment hardware correctly at all those places.
At the South side of the house there is this screened-in porch with lights, fans, and cable and electrical outlets. The white parts all around the screening there are vinyl. The screening material there has a synthetic feel.
Please, any suggestions for getting this porch structure through Hurricanes?




Lazy_Iguana 06-03-2007 12:02 PM

Re: Hurricane/Storm-shutter / window-protection ideas?
 
Accordion shutters. The slide shut like curtains. Once installed (best to have it done by pros) you can shutter up the house in a few minutes. After the storm you can open them up just as quick. They live on the house year round, so there is nothing to store.

The wind screens look cool as well. They look like regular screen, but they are made of metal.

You could have this metal screen put on the porch as well. If that screen material is nylon it is history in a storm.

BlueMarlin 06-03-2007 03:46 PM

Re: Hurricane/Storm-shutter / window-protection ideas?
 
nothing that is easy is gonna save those porch screens in any sort of blow.... they will blow out or get blown thru.

Yea... i know the DP rating on my sashes are only good to about 145 and the glass is good to 165. Most of my exposure is on the South west and west side....... our strongest winds for cane's tend to be from the SE around to the north both entry doors are on the west side. Seeing as last time around I was left with a slab, if all I was to get was a bit of water blown in around a window or two, I will take it.

Kat-Man-Do 06-03-2007 10:24 PM

Re: Hurricane/Storm-shutter / window-protection ideas?
 
I have been in the Hurricane Shutter Business for over 20 years. I am an owner/partner in a company here in Palm Beach County, so I have a little knowledge in this area.

Concerning the porch: as it is under your main roof line and not an add on, it should absolutely be protected if at all possible. This is to keep the wind from lifting on the roof, which is really the whole idea behind shutters.

Are the bricks real or fake? This changes installation preference.

Changing your windows in not a viable option because of the brick.

Concerning Panels: Get Aluminum with Tracks Only! DO NOT accept any direct mount system (panelmates that stick out of the walls, lead shields with screws) REGARDLESS of what the salesman says, or that it looks better.

Accordions are going to cost roughly twice on any window what the panels are, but as stated above, you can close them very quick in most cases. You can always do a combination of panels and accordions to save on cost.

At a minimum, try to plan for 2 escapes on different sides of the house. When someone wants all panels, I will try to get them to go with an accordion on a rear slider to fulfill this purpose.

NEVER buy the rollups unless that is the only thing that will work on a window: ie Old people with a 2nd story window that cannot be accessed from inside. Rollups cost roughly twice what an accordion does.

Impact windows will leak as stated above, but are only slightly more expensive than rollups, so go this route if you have the bucks, or are building new.

Accordions and Impact windows have additional benefits with burglary protection.


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