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Old 04-21-2007, 11:58 PM
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Got the car buying itch. Been looking at a new G35. And then I saw it.

Currently have a 2000 Audi A6 twin turbo that just spun 100k miles. Recently replaced timng belt and did some other preventative maintenance to the tune of about $2k -- ouch.

At my dealer, was a 2001 540i Sport with less than 20k miles. Always wanted a 540i, especially the old body style. Checked the car out, it looks like its in mint condition. Haven't driven it yet. Probably could get it for around $25k.

Would you trade a 7 year old car for a 6 year old car that you always wanted? Or is that throwing good money after bad?
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Old 04-22-2007, 12:07 AM
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think you can get it a bit cheaper....

go to edmunds.com and go to the "true cost of ownership" on this car - pretty favorable...also will give you some pricing info....
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Old 04-22-2007, 06:34 AM
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"Would you trade a 7 year old car for a 6 year old car that you always wanted? Or is that throwing good money after bad?"

Not if it were my main mode of transportation. A toy is a whole different thing, anything goes IMO.
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Old 04-22-2007, 07:25 AM
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540's are pretty cool, M5's are way cool!

My advice, if you're looking at a new Infinity, look for a used Cadillac CTS-V. I've owned Infiniti's and german stuff too, but you need to drive one of the Caddy's if you really want to mess up your thinking on German sport sedans. I made the mistake of just test driving one while waiting for the salesman to present my offer on another car.

If you would have told me that 5 years ago, I would have laughed at you! WARNING! If you don't want to buy a CTS-V, DON'T DRIVE ONE!!!
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Old 04-22-2007, 09:03 AM
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If it is a toy, by all means go for it. It may be the on of last BMW meant for drivers for a while. I despise my new 325i with all the electronic crap..even the brakes are screwed up.

If you are looking for a new daily driver, avoid BMW like the plague.
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Old 04-22-2007, 09:09 AM
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billinstuart - 4/22/2007 9:03 AM

If it is a toy, by all means go for it. It may be the on of last BMW meant for drivers for a while. I despise my new 325i with all the electronic crap..even the brakes are screwed up.

If you are looking for a new daily driver, avoid BMW like the plague.
No doubt BMW give it's drivers too much credit for being electronics engineers. Very complicated stuff.

Did anyone ever drive the new generation Q45 Infinity? I had owned one of those back in '93 and the wife thought she might want another when then came out with the high output engine and new body style. That sucker was just plain goofy with the elctronics, but I think BMW may have one upped them in that department.
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Old 04-22-2007, 12:22 PM
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If it (BMW) didn't have "brake pre-tensioning", I could probably tolerate it. Apparently their philosophy is "the AVERAGE driver doesn't brake hard enough". So now they're building average cars for sub-par drivers? Same with Mercedes. Too bad. Had a great drive in a 5 series Bimmer in Yurrip a few years ago...outstanding road car. Drove it in Swiss Alps and on German autobahn.

Traditionally the Japs didn't have the road manners of the Europeans, but that is no longer true. Tough competition now...not only performance but quality and ergonomics. Went to the Paris auto show 2 years ago...new Corvette looked fantastic next to the other stuff. We Americans shouldn't be ashamed of our products, and the Germans better stop reading their own advertising baloney and get with the program.
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Old 04-22-2007, 12:35 PM
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If you get the 540i, chances are you'll wish you had bought the M5. I researched this out fairly well when I was in your position. I bought my 02 M5 about 1.5 years ago with 50K miles. It is my daily driver and now I have about 76K on it. Maintaining these cars is not inexpensive. I was lucky enough to have a 6yr/100Kmile CPO warrantee which saved my butt on a few occasions.

Drop me a PM if any specific questions.
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Certified Pre-Owned (CPO) is the only way to go these days for any used car you want to buy. It's real, it works, and saves you a sh**load of money........
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Hey Freebird..I just looked up CTS-V and realize it's a rear drive platform. Perchance the same as my buddys ZO-6 Corvette?
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Old 04-23-2007, 11:52 AM
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mb,

the '01 540i sports are cool, same engine as my '99 740i sport but a lot less car. I have a local BMW service shop that has been working on these cars since the late 1960's. From what they told me is that the engines are almost bullet proof as long as you take care of them (high detergent synthetic oils, etc). On the electronics side, both me and my buddy with the 5 have had tons of little stuff (mass air sensor, cyclonic separator, oxygen sensor) go bad that was mostly covered by the CPO program with a $50 copay.

Now on my 7, two months after warranty the cyclonic separator went. That repair bill was just a hair under $800. One month later the alternator went, another $860. I sold the car one week after the alternator, with only 90K miles of meticulous care. Moral of the story in my mind with any of the German cars - NO WARRANTY - NO CAR. If you are collecting and wont be a daily driver, maybe, unless you plan on doing all the work yourself and can by the parts at shop cost.

My $.02 only. I loved my '99 740i and hated to get rid of it, but didnt want to get into the other stuff the shop told me would be coming...
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Bubba, thanks for the insight. It would be a semi-daily driver. I have a 99 Passat wagon that I use as a "truck" and commuter car.

I'm not going to do the work myself. Don't have the aptitude.

My hedge is driviing it for 70k miles more and then hopefully dump before the big ticket items that I'm into now with my A6 start.
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mb,

My understanding was that some of the items were a factor of mileage, others time. I am sure the Audi is the same way, you have been down that road.

Is there any warranty left on the car? If not, may I suggest you find a local service shop (not a dealer) that will work with you. My experience in my area is that the dealership service shops all work on commission, which when dealing with high end mechanical and electronic equipment that you dont know anything about is scary.

Where in NJ are you? I have a couple names & numbers here in Bucks County, PA of some shops you can talk to if you are interested. They really helped me out.
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billinstuart - 4/22/2007 7:26 PM

Hey Freebird..I just looked up CTS-V and realize it's a rear drive platform. Perchance the same as my buddys ZO-6 Corvette?
You are correct sir right down to the 6 speed tranny and independent rear suspension. It sure is fun messing with folks who don't know what a CTS-V is!

Mine is an '05 and has the LS6 engine from the ZO6. The new ones have the LS2 which is the 6 liter from the regular Vette. If you really want to have some fun, Chuck Mallet (a well known Vette tuner) can drop an LS7 out of the new ZO6 into place and you'll have a sedan that will take the lunch money away from about anything on the road!

I understand there is a new CTS-V in the works with a blown engine that will be rated around 600HP. YEE HAAA!!!
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bubba shea - 4/23/2007 12:25 PM

mb,

My understanding was that some of the items were a factor of mileage, others time. I am sure the Audi is the same way, you have been down that road.

Is there any warranty left on the car? If not, may I suggest you find a local service shop (not a dealer) that will work with you. My experience in my area is that the dealership service shops all work on commission, which when dealing with high end mechanical and electronic equipment that you dont know anything about is scary.

Where in NJ are you? I have a couple names & numbers here in Bucks County, PA of some shops you can talk to if you are interested. They really helped me out.
Hey Bubba, I sure am glad to be able to say that without worrying you might take it the wrong way!

Are you really from PA or did you move "up" there from "down" here? You've defintely given sound advice on the service issue. I've had a few German cars and the dealership is the LAST place you want to take one when anything other than warranty work is involved.

Just check around and find a garage that tells you it will take two weeks to get an appointment to have a timing belt changed and start from there! Run from ones who tell you they can work you in the same day. Sometimes you get lucky, but most really good shops stay booked all the time.
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The future looks really bleak when it comes to car repairs..our gubment, in its infinite wisdom, declared any mechanic should be able to diagnose certain driveability items...OBD-II came about. However, OBD-II is a drop in the bucket on new models. Most stuff is proprietary..ONLY the dealer has access to it. Thus, ONLY the dealer can diagnose drivetrain, body control, stoopidass brake pretensioning, and lotsa other stuff.

Y'know how power windows work now? You push the window button, it tells the computer you want the window down, the COMPUTER recognizes the individual window motor by its RESISTANCE, and GROUNDS that circuit at the body control module. Can't access that on high end stuff with yer Snap-On scanner! When yer high tech piece of dookie gets outa warranty, you better dump that thing!
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Love a 540i with a 6 speed as close to the M5 as you can get I presume. But would I want one out of warranty ..hell no! I really think this is why muscle cars have had a resurgence easy and cheap to fix, the high tech wizardry cars drop to penny stock value when no warranty is in sight. Like Billinstuart says...you better dump that thing!

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My brother just picked up a 05, 540i , 6sp with 30k on the odometer. It is a CPO as Glen recommended.

This is his 3rd used Bimmer and plans to run it a few years til the warranty expires.


I drove it 2 weeks ago and was truely amazed ! I would surely get in trouble if it was my daily driver !
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I had a 2002 Audi 2.7 twin turbo. Many little issues here and there that cost $400+ a pop. Wish I had the CPO warranty. I ended up selling the car and got a Camry for my daily driver. No problems to date and all I do is change the oil. Now I am thinking about a new car and was looking at the G35 as well.
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Old 04-25-2007, 08:58 PM
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CPO is the only way to go for peace of mind. It's a gamble..you can bet BMW isn't losing money on the warranty program, but if thw BIG hit comes, you're safe. Plus, just the fact they choose to include a particular vehicle indicates it has had proper service and no major problems...they don't CPO junk!
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