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Old 04-20-2007, 10:37 AM
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Hooper, my 6 year old yellow lab pictured below is a great dog. Very mellow, listens well and is very friendly, but he has one undesirable habit. When we are outside in the year and off the lead, is he sees someone walking by, he barks and then charges them. In his mind, he is afraid they may not see him and pay attention to him. When he gets near to them he is the typical lab, wagging tail, circling with affection. He doesn't jump up on them, just charges them. Scolding after the fact is counterproductive. Any tips or tools, electronic collars, etc that you might recommend??? The simple response is, fence in the yard, put him on a run, but I'd like to have him in the yard. Thanks in advance!
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Old 04-20-2007, 10:48 AM
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Labs will be labs, I had one that was like that, never found a way to stop it.
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Old 04-20-2007, 11:12 AM
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Hey Hooper,

Please don't put your buddy on a run! If you can swing the money for the fence, your problem is solved. From my experience, a six year old dog of any type is pretty tough to train. "...old dog and new tricks..." comes to mind. Fine looking creature, by the way.

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Old 04-20-2007, 11:13 AM
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That's tough. you will either need a gunshot "NO!" (like a Drill instructor "NO!", but louder) or a shock collar.

If you can make a good explosive NO!, it'll work, but it'll wreck your throat.
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Old 04-20-2007, 11:26 AM
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I had great success with a shock collar.
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Old 04-20-2007, 11:46 AM
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Hooper sounds like a great Lab...he's being protective of you in a friendly, Lab manner...

Try this to correct his behavior: you'll need a 25" rope-lead 3/8" or 1/2"...you can start w/ his normal collar, but might have to graduate to a 'slip" trainer...either way, there is NO NEED to hurt Hooper...all you gotta do is get his attention when he's distracted.

Set up using friends or family...have them walk by to distract him...when he goes, give the lead a quick jerk back toward you...I didn't say break his neck or cut him a flip...just give it a quick jerk and at the same time, in a stern voice, say NO! Labs are real smart, he'll catch on pretty quickly...but repeat this as needed...if he's been doin' this a while, it may take a few sessions...

Does he know "Come"... while you have him on a lead and after you stop him from advancing toward other people, give the lead another jerk and, like you mean it say the word "Come!"...not come 'ere boy, thats a good boy, yadayada yada ... say one word, "Come!"...do not go to him...if he doesn't come to you, start hauling him in w/the rope...when you get him to you, repeat "COME!"...give him slack and repeat the process...for training Labs and most other dogs read "Training Your Retriever" by James Lamb Free...it's the "Bible" in dog training...good luck w/Hooper
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Old 04-20-2007, 12:01 PM
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I started seeing these bridle/collar sort of things a few years back that are just brillant. it's al ot like a horses bridle, and the leash attaches in front of the dogs snout, so when you haul up on it, the dog looks at you.
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Old 04-20-2007, 12:01 PM
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My old lab that has now gone to that great duck blind in the sky did the same ....he was four when I started noticing...(we moved to a new "hood"..) Corrected the problem with "LEAVE IT"
when I fed him...after about a week, I could "leave it" and he would stop eating and sit...start with
letting him start eating then "gently hold the collar" and say "leave it" with a little tug on the collar..

He can head for the circle in the front yard when folks walk by and my "leave it" whoas him down to just tail wagging and slobbering like good ole labs do.....(other than digging to China)!!

Good luck......sounds and looks like a great friend...........
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Old 04-20-2007, 12:03 PM
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I would go with an electric coller. I have a very high strung 4 1/2 year old Vizsla who is very high strung and was doing the same thing (also taking off to the neighbors). I was able to fix the problem within a few days. I didn't even need to go past the first correction level on the coller. Watch him when someone approaches and wait untill that breif moment when his ears perk up before he takes off. As soon as he starts to take off give him the correction. That way you're reminding him not to do it as the thought first enters his mind. It really doesn't take long for them to assciate that thought with the correction. I haven't had to have him on a lead all spring now and it sure is nice to be outside with him and know he's not going to take off and bother the neighbors.
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Old 04-20-2007, 12:24 PM
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It's a little bit of work and a little money, but an invisible fence is the way I go. Once trained, and that's easy to do even for a 6yo dog, there are no worries of a dog getting out. I have had mine for over 10 years.
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Old 04-20-2007, 12:25 PM
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I have a chocolate lab and he likes to run up to people as well, get a shock collar. I shocked myself with it and it is not bad. Just gets their attention.
Anyway it is great for being out and not needind a leed.

I had a innotek, but the batterys were hard to find, now I have one from petsmart. Be sure to get a water proof one.

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Set up using friends or family...have them walk by to distract him...when he goes, give the lead a quick jerk back toward you...I didn't say break his neck or cut him a flip...just give it a quick jerk and at the same time, in a stern voice, say NO! Labs are real smart, he'll catch on pretty quickly...but repeat this as needed...if he's been doin' this a while, it may take a few sessions...
That is how it is done, will work without fail everytime. If it fails, the problem is you, not the dog.

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I second the rope training. Start off with a heavy piece of rope so that the dog knows that he is under your control, and slowly work your way down to a long piece of parachute cord. The dog thinks he's getting away with something until you give the command. If he does not respond, then tug on the rope.

When I was a police officer, I had a K9 for 4 years, and we trained our K9s that way. We would use cord up to 75ft long. The dogs could not tell it was on the collar.

I would not mess with the electric fence, it will not keep him from going after people when he is away from the house with you.
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The proper method would be to teach him STAY........ at 6 it isn't going to be easy but repetition will eventually get it across........
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Thanks for all the input, I really appreciate it. It's funny, he does very well with everything else, it's just this one bad habit that I need to spend some time with him and work out. I have used a training collar (choker) for the basics, stay, sit, come, down, but when he sees someone he loses all control, and people sometimes get really scared seeing him charge across the yard with me yelling HOOPER! NO! as loud as I can, I am sure they believe an attack is imminent! But it is great having him around while I do yard work, clean the truck, he doesn't wander, but I might look into a shock collar to reinforce the NO! as he charges.... PetsMart is a good place to start?
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Old 04-20-2007, 07:21 PM
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Find another word other than the dogs name to use for discipline. I use an abrupt word with my lab, something like "HETT".
As a preventative to unruley behaviour I use "E-ZEE".

Your dog could need more exercise or perhaps interaction with a larger pack of well mannered dogs.

I imagine shock collars are used to defer the dogs attention from their current focus (like charging) rather than a punishment for being unruley.
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Hooper - 4/20/2007 7:16 PM

Thanks for all the input, I really appreciate it. It's funny, he does very well with everything else, it's just this one bad habit that I need to spend some time with him and work out. I have used a training collar (choker) for the basics, stay, sit, come, down, but when he sees someone he loses all control, and people sometimes get really scared seeing him charge across the yard with me yelling HOOPER! NO! as loud as I can, I am sure they believe an attack is imminent! But it is great having him around while I do yard work, clean the truck, he doesn't wander, but I might look into a shock collar to reinforce the NO! as he charges.... PetsMart is a good place to start?
Cabelas your lucky 6 year old yellow have choccs at 6 still a pup 9 year old calmed down now,lol

you will find that soon you wont even need to turn the collar on just show it to him/her
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