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Old 04-14-2007, 11:23 AM
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If a whale washes up on the beach it's teeth are federally protected, unbelievable.

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Old 04-14-2007, 11:28 AM
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i cut the feet off a road kill bird one time in my younger years.hung them from my rear view mirror.got checked by a game warden leaving the woods one afternoon and he wrote me a ticket for them.$560 after court cost
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Old 04-14-2007, 11:38 AM
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As I understand it...

Possessing any part of an endangerred species is regulated under the CITES (it's an french acronym so you have to look it up if you want to know what it means) treaty. You are required to have a permit handle these materials so that poached specimens cannot be explained away as road-kill or naturally deceased animals.

There are limited exceptions for some aborignal hunting of some species like eskimos can hunt walrus and confiscated meat can be donated to local populations.

Also, many states restrict possesion of any game that you do not have a license for. My state says taking road-kill is poaching because game resources are state property unless legally taken under the F&G license and permit rules.

And that's all I think I know about that!
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Old 04-14-2007, 12:26 PM
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Kamper is 100% correct on all points but I will add that in additional to CITES, all federally listed animals are also protected under the Endangered Species Act and each state has its own equivalent of the ESA that also protects listed animal species.

There was a woman a few years ago who was gathering up golden eagle feathers to make dreamcatchers. She went to prison.
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So how much was the ticket ?

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Old 04-14-2007, 01:00 PM
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welder - 4/14/2007 1:50 PM

So how much was the ticket ?

It cost him and arm and a leg.
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Old 04-14-2007, 04:40 PM
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As stated it is a Federal violation to possess any part of an endangered species..... I would get calls all the time as a Florida Marine Patrol Officer about people with Sea Turtle Shells. Some of them were as old as the 60's before such regulations existed. Did not matter unless you had documentation as to where the shell came from (date purchased and so forth) it was seized and sometimes the possessor cited...
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Old 04-14-2007, 05:57 PM
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Wow, those guys would LOVE our piles of conch shells, and I can get all the turtle shells I want by asking a local not to throw it away the next time he eats one. And if a whale washed ashore here, away from the populated areas, unless it was rancid there would be a cookout going on. Either that or someone would be using strips of it for bait.
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Old 04-14-2007, 07:50 PM
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Cracker - 4/15/2007 1:40 PM

As stated it is a Federal violation to possess any part of an endangered species..... I would get calls all the time as a Florida Marine Patrol Officer about people with Sea Turtle Shells. Some of them were as old as the 60's before such regulations existed. Did not matter unless you had documentation as to where the shell came from (date purchased and so forth) it was seized and sometimes the possessor cited...
In that the burden of proof rests with the state, for those that received a citation or where the shell was confiscated, how did you “prove” the shell was newer than the ‘60’s and not grandfathered in?

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Old 04-14-2007, 10:42 PM
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Eyeball,
The law clearly states you must have written documentation to have Endangered Species parts or there of.... A lot of times demeanor of the citizen and obvious signs if that the shell was old or not... If you see old stuff in a restaurant you know what old fish mounts look like. I wrote very few cases but they were sent to the Feds for prosecution (I never heard the outcome) and the shells were siezed and they did not get those back..
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Cracker - 4/15/2007 7:42 PM

Eyeball,
The law clearly states you must have written documentation to have Endangered Species parts or there of.... A lot of times demeanor of the citizen and obvious signs if that the shell was old or not... If you see old stuff in a restaurant you know what old fish mounts look like. I wrote very few cases but they were sent to the Feds for prosecution (I never heard the outcome) and the shells were siezed and they did not get those back..
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Cracker - 4/14/2007 10:42 PM

Eyeball,
The law clearly states you must have written documentation to have Endangered Species parts or there of.... A lot of times demeanor of the citizen and obvious signs if that the shell was old or not... If you see old stuff in a restaurant you know what old fish mounts look like. I wrote very few cases but they were sent to the Feds for prosecution (I never heard the outcome) and the shells were siezed and they did not get those back..

Figs the law no common sense just another robot nazi .Thank god I sold or used up all my polor bear fur flytying lest they be nocking down my door and getting s.bet your proud
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Old 04-16-2007, 12:47 AM
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I am not even going to waste my breath.... You out on bond again, huh

A small request..please dont post on this board WHILE YOU ARE SMOKING CRACK! It makes you look pretty stupid.. Tight lines
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Cracker - 4/16/2007 12:47 AM

I am not even going to waste my breath.... You out on bond again, huh

A small request..please dont post on this board WHILE YOU ARE SMOKING CRACK! It makes you look pretty stupid.. Tight lines
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Old 04-16-2007, 09:16 AM
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Last year we had a retard duck lay eggs on the dock...no nest, just a pile in th corner, in fact she layed eggs all over peoples boats.
She hatched 3, but took off with one and left the other two with their bills sticking out of the eggs. All day long, the peeping was getting weaker and weaker. At 10 PM, no mother, never came back to the "nest" we took them home as it was getting really cold, made up a jury rigged incubator and hatched the little suckers, had to help one but we saved them both......Then, we found out after we brought them back to the marina and released them, technically the state would rather they died than we help. I call that a stupid law....of course we spent 2 months with them living in the garage in a playpen before we could release them, but they hang around the boat pretty well, not tame but not too wary to come close.
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Old 04-16-2007, 11:21 AM
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capndick - 4/17/2007 6:16 AM
...technically the state would rather they died than we help. I call that a stupid law...
I have a friend that earned money during the summer when she was in university (biology major) by working for the US gov on factory ships out of Alaska. Her job was to count the fish they catch. She said all kinds of perfectly good incidental catch had to be tossed back over the side. If the ship was approved to take tuna and a salmon came up in the net it would be dead before it could be released, but it had to be pushed back over the side. I asked about eating incidental catch, she sad no way! Not allowed. Seemed like a huge waste of perfectly good incidental catch to me. And there was no way to prevent it, to save the fish, the law required they be wasted.

Btw, if her estimates on the ship’s catch differed from the captn’s it would trigger an investigation. The captn was constantly monitoring her about her numbers, comparing. Ironically, the ships she worked on did everything reasonable to stay within the laws and catch limits.

The other (interesting?) thing about the factory ships is that they are floating sex parties. Everyone works long shifts (12hr shifts) and then there is nothing to do so they go around hooking up and sexing each other, except the ship’s officers are off-limits because of conflict reasons. The officers don’t get any until they get back to port.
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