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Old 02-03-2007, 08:29 PM
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Hey, I'm at a dilemna....

I've done a whole lot of computer work for a local charter captain who runs a successful boat from OI, NC. Sold him (2) used laptops cheap, set up his wireless network, configured his print server, recommended products for him to buy, steered him in the right direction for the last 3 years that I've known him. Never gotten paid for my time or expenses.

I booked a charter with him a few years ago, and we had a great time, but I paid full price.

The last time I worked with him was the straw that broke the camel's back so to say. Bought his daughter a laptop for an xmas present. Bounced a check through paypal trying to get it here on time for xmas. Loaded XP and office on it, hooked it up to the wireless. While I was there, reconfigured all the computers so they could print off one central computer. His teenage son had multiple users on the desktop, so I had to log off and log back in as admin to reconfigure the printer settings. Teenage son gets back home and calls me up bitching because he can't get his Ipod to sync up because it's the wrong user, he can't find his Itunes, then HANGS UP on me while I'm trying to help him out. I call back and explain to the more techy savvy daughter how to get his Ipod sych'ed up again. All the while thinking, I'm out 50$ on this job for helping your family out for xmas with three hours of my time and not getting paid squat.

Regardless, I'm done with computer help for this family. Call Geeks on Call.

However, his wife works with mine and he has offered up a fuel only offshore charter for my help with his comp problems. Savings of appx $1000 for the trip.

On one hand, I wanna go fishing of course.

On the other hand, I dont want to owe this guy anymore draining computer help, and I really resent the way his teenage son treated me while I was doing nothing but helping them out, and paying my $50 for it.

What would you guys do:

Take the trip and then don't answer the phone when he calls?

Politely decline the generousity?

Take the trip and start the full Monty billing process when computer needs arrive?

Thanks guys.
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Old 02-03-2007, 08:46 PM
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take the trip.




sorry sir i have no time to work on computers.
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Old 02-03-2007, 08:55 PM
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Hi Chris

I would first sit down with your buddy and establish what the parameters and rates of pay are for the work that still needs to be done . . . get the business part set aside first . . . keep the business and friendship on an even keel

Once that is done, then decide if you want to still do the trip . . . remember that the fuel burn on that big boat would get you out on your boat a bunch of times

Good luck in resolving your problem
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Old 02-03-2007, 08:57 PM
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Remember . . . your friendship is with the old man and not his kid

Not all kids are great like yours
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Old 02-04-2007, 09:05 AM
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You have to be fair to yourself. From this point forward, bill him out at a fair rate ($100/hr). If you want to fish with him then pay his fare with the money you've made from him. Win-Win.

Obviously, fishing is a living for him not a hobby. Working on computers may or may not be your living, but explain it is not a hobby.

My rule of thumb for helping people with computers is pretty simple. If I know you I'll be glad to help you out for free. If, while working on your computer, I discover that this is going to take some time then I'm going to have to charge you something. It would only be fair. Maybe not money but maybe you know how to perform a service I don't and I need that service. Now if you tell your friend 3 streets over that I can work on computers, that friend is going to get charged $100/hr or a $500 flat fee.

Just keep in mind the opportunity cost of those 3 hours you spent on the captain's computers and network. If he's a friend then that time is fellowship. If he is not a friend then that time is a cost/burden with a price of 3 hours you couldn't spend with your family, your work, or any other thing that you value.

For whatever reason, working on computers is different than getting everybody at church together to put a new roof on Billy Bob's house. It's usually a one man job, performed at someone else's house, at a time that you can do it which is usually inconvenient for the receiving party and goes unappreciated. And it always seems to take longer than they think it should.
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Old 02-04-2007, 10:40 AM
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Hardlivin is correct. I am a HVAC guy, I now do Building HVAC Automation so I work on both HVAC and PCs, I am better at HVAC, LOL, any way everyone loves the HVAC guy when they are in need but seem to forget when you need something, I would set up the ground rules just as Hardlivin said. If you are a very good friend I will give you the shirt off of my back. But other than that I have found that people will take advantage of you to the fullest. I have had that happen many times, so I let them know up front what it will be $, IF I choose to even work on your stuff. After all if you are doing this after your normal day is done, you are gone from home, Kids, relaxation. If you have a boat, I would not take the trip and save the gas money. MHO.
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Old 02-04-2007, 11:03 AM
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if you did alot of work and he offered nothing in return(a fuel only trip is no big deal)he's not your buddy
if his son calls and yells then hangs up and he does nothing he's not your buddy
i fix boats for a living and everone wants to trade something, i just say if i want your service or product i'll buy it at the normal price and you pay for service at normal price no hard feelings ever if they have hard feelings they are not your buddy
we have a saying in the yard "treat me good, i'll treat you better, treat me bad i'll treat you worse"
me personally i'd put that one in the experience column and move on
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Old 02-04-2007, 02:22 PM
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1/2 mile a gallon gets pricey fast That is not a bargin How many times can you take your own boat with 200gals of fuel
Ask for what is rightfully yours If you don't get the 50$ back it's worth not hearing from them again don't cha think???
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Old 02-05-2007, 10:01 AM
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Chris, send his boy a bill for taking that "tone" w/ you and take his dad up on the fishing trip then the next time they need a favor refer them elsewhere.
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Old 02-07-2007, 09:30 AM
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blue,
I run a charter boat full time, that is how I make a living. I am always in favor of bartering. I never expect anyone to do work for me for free. If I use a persons services I will pay them or take them fishing, whichever they choose. If they choose fishing, the whole trip is free and I pay the fuel costs. Too bad you live so far away. I could use a good computer guy who likes to fish. Bob
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Old 02-07-2007, 07:38 PM
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bigjimmie - 2/4/2007 11:03 AM

if you did alot of work and he offered nothing in return(a fuel only trip is no big deal)he's not your buddy
if his son calls and yells then hangs up and he does nothing he's not your buddy
i fix boats for a living and everone wants to trade something, i just say if i want your service or product i'll buy it at the normal price and you pay for service at normal price no hard feelings ever if they have hard feelings they are not your buddy
we have a saying in the yard "treat me good, i'll treat you better, treat me bad i'll treat you worse"
me personally i'd put that one in the experience column and move on
I m with BJ , He's obviously not your buddy
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Old 02-10-2007, 01:45 PM
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He should have given you a couple of free trips by now for all you have done.
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Old 02-18-2007, 04:18 PM
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I think the problem is that you have done too much thinking and not enough communicating. You should have let the captain know how much you were saving him by helping him out in the first place. Most guys in the charter business have no concept of what your time is worth.

If that the guy you are helping out is true full timer at Oregon Inlet he might be one of the best in the world at what he does. What you get paid per hour of work and what it takes for him to make a paycheck at the end of the day are far different. You are in a better seat in that respect...

You can't really tell him that his son is a moron but you could mention that you would appreciate that only the captain call with any questions. You could compare it to the fact that you get a lot of calls all day and night with stupid computer questions and you enjoy your time away from the telephone. He will be able to relate to you because he gets calls all day and night from people wanting to book trips, help to analyze the weather and to talk fishing. Not exactly what he wants to do after a day of fishing. Make that comparison and he will understand.

Don't hold animosity towards this guy but just reestablish your position. Explain to him what you will charge in the future. If he offers to make trades consider them. Because the profit margin is so small from a day of fishing, it is a fair guess that the captain is probably not too excited about trades. Remember; when a boat captain trades, he is not only giving up a profit margin he is also sustaining wear and tear loss of tackle as well knocking a full paying charter out of a day. Talk to the guy about all of this. You may have lost a buddy already though when he sees that you have been tearing he and his family apart on the Internet without ever voicing your concerns first.

If I were you, I might want to provide a copy of your blog and apologize before talking of the future.......
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