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Old 02-01-2007, 01:28 PM
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Ok I just spent $1200. for an intake manifold gasket repair for my wife's 2002 Pontiac Grand Prix with 65,000 miles. My other GM V6's also needed the intake job before 100,000 miles.

A recent post here said Toyotas and Nissans made in the USA have more American parts than some Fords.

My question is why do I keep buying American cars???
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Old 02-01-2007, 01:38 PM
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I don't know that I would lump it all into "why do I keep buying American cars??? "

I think the other question would be why do you keep buying GM??? I mean were the other cars not enough of an indicator?

Know that I am not a die hard anything, I presently own a 2002 Ford with 75k miles and just last week had my first expense. I changed out the 5 year old battery... I will take a close look at the new Toyotas when they come out and I like the Titan as well..
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Old 02-01-2007, 02:04 PM
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Personally have had bad luck with Fords that wern't pick-ups and just have had no experience with Chryslers.

I have found the GM vehicles to be better riding and easier normal maintenance stuff (in the past)that I can do - brakes waterpumps ,or whatever. Guess it was mostly familiarity.... And well these were the only repairs I ever paid for for those cars -

But good point Reel... Like Martha and the Vandells said - you better shop around... or was it the Supremes....
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My redneck, Texan, die-hard Ford pickup truck fan Uncle says Chrysler is just a Jimmy, with lockwashers.
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Everybody makes a POS these days Well, heres hoping the new tundra will be a winner
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Old 02-01-2007, 03:32 PM
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iron banks - 2/1/2007 1:28 PM

Everybody makes a POS these days Well, heres hoping the new tundra will be a winner
Iwent to the Tundra ride and drive event yesterday
that thing is a monster.
I gotta go pick up the kid now but post some questions here about the 07 Tundra I'll
answer them the best I can later today
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Old 02-01-2007, 04:53 PM
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How was the ride, fit-n-finish and power. I hope it is a POS so I am not tempted to trade in the titan
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Old 02-01-2007, 07:28 PM
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The ride was great but so was the ride in the Nissan,
the Tundra turned better, but over bumps they were close.
the Nissan burned the tires better, but the Tundra was faster by a head
I like the way they set up the interior to be usable wearing gloves, very user friendly
We drove the 1/2 ton class of
Toyota

Chevy

Nissan

Dodge

Ford
Over all that's how they stacked
we drove a test track with a 900# water tank in the back first
Then it was the "off Road" (simulated)
They wouldn't let us get them muddy
Then it was the towing drive, 2300# trailer, 600# water in the same tank
I know we have allot of F150 lovers here but that truck didn't do too well in any of the drives
Chevy was a close second to the Toyota

Then Nissan, and Dodge were Neck, and Neck.
I'll answer anymore questions you have if I can
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Old 02-01-2007, 07:47 PM
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America makes some decent to good V8s. If I were in the market for a 6 or 4, I'd look at a jap or german.
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Old 02-01-2007, 09:03 PM
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Marsh, good report..

What engine did the Ford have in that test? Typically testers like to say "Triton V-8" but there is a big difference in the 4.6 and 5.4 - the 5.4 being noticeably more powerful when you get a load behind it. Same applies to the Chevy with the 4.8, 5.3 or 6.0 and the Dodge with the 4.7 or the Hemi.

For that matter, do you know what engines were in all the other test vehicles? Makes a huge difference along with the gear setups too!

I know that is a pretty detailed question, but let's face it, they aren't really going to be putting any vehicles out there that are completely apples to apples..
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Old 02-01-2007, 11:58 PM
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Acording to my book
ford 5.4 liter SHOC V8 with 3 valves per cylinder and VCT, 4 speed auto

chevy 6-liter OHV V8 with 2 valves per cylinder and VVT, 4 speed auto

dodge 5.7 liter HEMI OHV with 2 valves per cylinder and no VVT, 5 speed auto

NISSAN 5.6 liter DOHC V8 with 4 valves per cylinder no VVT, 5 speed auto

toyota 5.7 liter i-FORCE V8 with 4 valves per cylinder and dual VVT-i, 6 speed auto

Don't remember if they told us about rear end gear ratios for the other 4
but the book says" Standard axel ratio for the V6 and 4.7 V8 is a 3.91:1.
Standard with the 5.7 V8 and the 4.7 V8 with the trailer Package is a 4.10:1.
With the Trailer package, the 5.7 V8 gets a 4.30:1"

The way they told us was that they got the compedators most powerful 1/2 ton truck
with Standard packages , like that Ram ahd good power, but didn't stop for beans, cause
no standard abs on the front brakes, that's an option
Hope that helps let me know if you need more info I'll help best I can
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Old 02-02-2007, 06:07 AM
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damn. hate to see Ford come in last, but it sure sounds like you did some fair testing. Can you get them to let you drive all the trucks on the beach for a year and then measure steel thickness on the fender panels??? heh heh heh...
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Old 02-02-2007, 10:19 AM
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That's what I was telling them, it takes me about a year to start liking a new truck.....
So I think they should give me a demo for a year or so for a "real world test drive"
Wonder why they didn't go for it


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dbl post...
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Old 02-02-2007, 11:19 AM
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Thanks for the reply Marsh.. Sounds like at least the motors were pretty comparable, fair and balanced. As I said, my only other thought would be what gears they had installed. Gearing is critical to how the engine performance is actually pyut to the road.

I know my FX4 F-150 has 3.55's and the newer FX4 packages come with 3.73's and the 3.73's are much peppier, but they obviously run a little higher RPM on the highway.

The fact the toyota has 4.10's is pretty wild and 4.30's are serious rock crawling gears!
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Old 02-02-2007, 01:12 PM
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My wife had a Grand Prix..it turned out to be a "Grand lemon" All power window motors didn't last the 1st year,head gasket blew at around 5500 miles, both front end struts were replaced twice the 1st year,the onboard computer chip failed twice. It did have a nice ride when it worked and GM covered all the problems,but what a hassle it was. That was our last GM product and have been with Chrysler ever since with hardly a bump along the way.
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