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Old 01-31-2007, 05:50 AM
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Here I was hoping I could dodge this sink hole for a while longer, but no such luck, the Misses is on a terror.

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We all know the picture quality is excellent on a wide screen LCD and Plasma when watching a HD signal, but how's the quality when watching a program that isn't in HD? How grainy is it?

What size of unit do you have? What size becomes to big for regular broadcasts?

Do all of you guys have home theatre/ entertainment systems as well? I know some of the units I've been looking at the on board sound sucks!
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I have an 32" LCD and a 51" DLP. At first, I had some problems with cable. The digital channels (non HD) looked pretty good, but the analog channels (2-76) looked pretty bad. I had the cable company try to fix it with no success. I ended up switching to directv and am very pleased with the picture. Both HD and standard. There is no graininess at all because satellite is all digital.
A home theater setup is the way to go. Pretty much anything beats TV speakers. If you're looking for a setup, I suggest a receiver that does video upconverting to HDMI. That way, you can connect all your components (cable/SAT receiver, DVD player, VCR, game console) to the receiver (audio and video) and only have 1 cable going from the receiver to your TV. And you only press 1 button to switch between sources (instead of switching audio source on the receiver, and video source on the TV. Something my wife hated). If you have any questions, feel free to ask.

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Old 01-31-2007, 08:25 AM
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All your questions can be answered here http://avsforum.com/ by audio/visual enthusiasts.
They helped me make sense enough to make an educated purchase of both a LCD & Plasma for our home.
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I have a 55" HDTV. You have to keep in mind before HD came along there were big screen tv's that were used for regular broadcast. I find if i have been watching HD for a couple hours and turn to a regular broadcast if really bothers me, because there is a noticable differance. If I turn the TV and tune to a regular show it is not bad. The thing is there is very little programming that I watch that is not HDTV. Pretty much all sporting events and primetime shows are in HD. I have directv as well. The real differance is sports, sucks to watch a football or hockey game in non-hd, but almost all sporting events are broadcast in HD now. Almost all the primetime shows are in HD so you are really left with very little programming you will watch that is not HD. It is defintly worth getting the HD, your regular picture won't be any worse that what you have now.
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Old 01-31-2007, 10:26 AM
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I recently switched over to a 40" LCD. Initially, I just had standard cable coming out of the wall, no box, no nothing. I had the basics like ESPN, MTV, etc... When I hooked up the new TV, the major networks(abc, nbc, cbs) were horrible to the point of not even being able to watch. Yet they were fine on my old TV. Overall, I wasn't impressed with the new TV. THEN, I decided to subscribe to the HD service from Comcast which automatically bumped me into the first level of Digital Cable. Bingo...big difference! The HD channels are incredible and even the major networks I mentioned look better. Luckily, those same networks also have their own dedicated HD channel. Once you go HD, you won't understand how you ever watched without it.
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Old 01-31-2007, 11:28 AM
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61" Samsung with digital cable. You can go into circuit city or something similar and compare apples to apples and see what manufacturers Tv's are better when not in HD. Our 61" looks fine but some others 50" don't look as good. I do reccomend looking at a Tv that broadcasts 1080P. The P is better than the I. P=progressive and "flashes" light every 1/60 of a second whereas 1080I only does it at 1/30 of a second. watching football games you can tell the difference which is why most of the sports channels do HD broadcast in 720P rather than 1080I. 1080P is newer and will be used more in the next few years. Plus the new Blue-ray disk's do 1080P along with the newer Playstation 3.
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Old 01-31-2007, 01:20 PM
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That's a nice site Major, I've bookmarked it.

I am running sat. at home as well as cable for the downstairs Sony Trilitron, but the cable is nothing fancy, no digital box or anything. I'd sure hate to buy a new upstairs set and end up with a lessor quality picture then I've currently got....the upstairs set I've modified, so the picture is pretty good.
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I did an apples to apples with my 72" DLP and 52" Projection TV playing standard broadcast. The 52" will blow away the 72" when watching side by side standard definition broadcasts due to the grainy picture on the 72" DLP. But the 72" DLP playing HD content will blow away the 52" non high def. Keep in mind it's kind of tough to do an actual apples to apples because there is a 3-4 second broadcast delay between HD and SD. Why? No idea.

The 72" will show a significant difference in pq when watching a SD DVD compared to the 52".

Sounds: I have a decent audio system with a high powered sub (nothing too fancy) and it works for what I need. But I only use it when I watch 5.1 movies and never have it on when watching TV (even sports) because it's overkill and the TV has a really good sound system. Watching non 5.1 movies I turn my audio system off and rely on the TV. I will turn off the surround sound settings on the TV and all the other special audio features because they seem to distort old movies more than anything. Watched "The Getaway" the other night and it would have been useless to have my audio system trying to make it sounds good.
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I did an apples to apples with my 72" DLP and 52" Projection TV playing standard broadcast. The 52" will blow away the 72" when watching side by side standard definition broadcasts due to the grainy picture on the 72" DLP. But the 72" DLP playing HD content will blow away the 52" non high def. Keep in mind it's kind of tough to do an actual apples to apples because there is a 3-4 second broadcast delay between HD and SD. Why? No idea.

The 72" will show a significant difference in pq when watching a SD DVD compared to the 52".

Sounds: I have a decent audio system with a high powered sub (nothing too fancy) and it works for what I need. But I only use it when I watch 5.1 movies and never have it on when watching TV (even sports) because it's overkill and the TV has a really good sound system. Watching non 5.1 movies I turn my audio system off and rely on the TV. I will turn off the surround sound settings on the TV and all the other special audio features because they seem to distort old movies more than anything. Watched "The Getaway" the other night and it would have been useless to have my audio system trying to make it sounds good.

Most likely because your 52" is a standard definition tv and your 72" is a High definition tv that is why the PQ is better as far as the delay does your SD tv have a cable box like your HDTV if not thats why theres the delay theres always a 3-4 delay with a cable box
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I have a 42" HD LCD from LG. I have it connected to my Comcast Motorola HD Cable box via HDMI. Not very grainy at all. If you get up close you can see grain but sitting at the proper distance as suggest by home theatre set ups you can't see much grain. The HD kicks ASS! I do not like the Motorola Cable box though. I think I have seen more image problems becasue of that thing!
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Strikethree,

The 72" uses a cablecard and the 52" had a STB connected when I had them side by side. And yes, the 52" was SD only. Pretty darn good picture btw! Funny how before the wife watched something in HD on the new set she said "we spent all this money on the big tv for this" as she watched a SD program. Now all we watch is HD or DVD's.
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Strikethree,

The 72" uses a cablecard and the 52" had a STB connected when I had them side by side. And yes, the 52" was SD only. Pretty darn good picture btw! Funny how before the wife watched something in HD on the new set she said "we spent all this money on the big tv for this" as she watched a SD program. Now all we watch is HD or DVD's.
same here me and the wife love our Samsung 56" DLP
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Major Woods - 2/1/2007 5:25 AM

All your questions can be answered here http://avsforum.com/ by audio/visual enthusiasts. ...
AVSforum had a lot of their intellectual heavyweights bail on them. The forums are now congested with paid advertisers, their cheerleaders, and bullies that have been posting since who know when. (Gosh, where have we heard that before?)

Instead, go here: http://www.avforums.com Spelling is close but not the same. It is a British forum, nice folks there, very helpful, no bullies, good, solid, info. Lots of yanks (that’s what they call us) hang out there, too.

Garett – you have a PM.
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Eyeball - 1/31/2007 11:46 PM
Garett – you have a PM.
I'll get back to you tomorrow, I'm woped!!!!

Earlier today I called my old boss and mentioned I was interested in a TV and could he hook me up? He said, "sure, give this guy a call in Toronto, he owes me big time". So's I call him up and he says, "come on down and I'll show you the ropes".

So's I jumps in the truck, picks up the Misses from work and shoot into Toronto. Well let me tell you, the place I was at is a TV warehouse for dealers only. They had to have probably every TV there is on the market plus movie theater screens......all hooked up and ready to go. Plus a huge selection of home theater systems. The Misses and I spent over 5 hrs there taking in info....talk about brain drain!!!!! The guy can not legally sell to us because of contracts with manufactures but he said he would call around tomorrow (Thurs) and see what he can do for us.

Here's our condensed list......

Plasmas:
1st choice Panasonic TH-50PF9UK (50")........price could be a problem for us at 6K msl.
Pioneer PDP-507CMX (50")
Pioneer PDP-425CMX (42")
Pioneer PDP-4270HD (42")

LCD:
1st choice Sony's BRAVIA KDL40V2500 (40”)
Sony's BRAVIA KDL46S2000 (46”)

Home Theater Systems:
1st choice Harman Kardon w/ JBL System 7.1
Yamaha w/ JBL 7 Speakers

I'll have to wait to see what Thurs. brings.
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Garett – let us know what display you decide on. As far as sound goes, you might want to look at the Axiom speakers. They are impressive for their price point, excellent for surround sound applications. I have never read a single negative review about Axiom spkrs. They are a Canadian company, might make it more affordable for you. Axiom has an outstanding reputation for product support, pre and post sales.

http://www.axiomaudio.com/index.html?1093


I know what you mean about the difference in ‘dollars’. I called a toll free 800 number to order something, thought it was in the US but it was a Canadian company, and was told the total price with shipping was $585.32!!! “What the hell…!!!???!!!” “Oh, you must be calling from the States. I’m sorry, that was the price in Canadian dollars. In US dollars that will be $2.50.”
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I'd love to have done the Axiom home theater speaker package, but they would have cost me more then my tv! Starting @ $1,700 usd up to #2,460 usd.

Well I'm home from spending my money......I feel good, I got one-hell'va deal!

I started out with size in mind and overall picture quality w/o an HD signal. Reflection properties of the screen was my second focus. Then stat comparison came into play.

I ended up getting the Sony LCD BRAVIA KDL40V2500 (40”).....great stats!
Then I ended up going with a Yamaha AV receiver HTR-5930 - 5:1.
Speakers were Athena's 4 @ MS Satellites, two with speaker stands, 1 @ MC Center Channel dual speacker, 1@ AS-P6000 sub.
Then I got some cheap Monster cables thrown in and a surge protector.

I ended up spending over 3 on the package, but I did save just over $1,350. I ended going this route because of size restraints, reflection issues, stats and then pricing.....this was my best package price with what what stores had.....I guess I'm pleased? I'll hold judgment until I see and hear it.

Now to build a stand.
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Absolutely excellent choice on both sight and sound. You will be very, very happy!!! Here is a tip for you on the center channel. If you ever have a difficult time hearing the voices during movies (they come out of the center channel) rather than screwing around with setting just move the center speaker a littel close to where you are sitting if you can. It works for me
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Sound like you got yourself a great deal on everything! Take your time getting it set up, tuned in, adjusted, etc. There will come a time when you just sit down, turn it on, and forget everything else.

And remember the warning...once you sit before HD and surround sound, your life is changed forever.

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Eyeball - 2/2/2007 2:10 AM

Take your time getting it set up, tuned in, adjusted, etc. There will come a time when you just sit down, turn it on, and forget everything else.
I was really surprised or should I say disappointed when I first turned on the set......man was the picture quality crap! I was already thing along the lines of returning it. Then I got to thinking after farting around with the menu settings, why should a TV be any different then any other audio equipment? Audio equipment I know needs break in time, so maybe so does the LCD? Either way I let the set run and took off to do other things....the picture quality is definitely progressively getting better and better.
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Garret...I dont understand why the picture was crap when you first turned it on. I have the very same televison and the picture was awesome when I first turned it on and its the same way now 30 days later. It is a unbelievable picture on that set. Check and make sure all your settings are correct in menu. Plus, Everyone seems to prefer the vivid setting for the picture.
Enjoy your new system.

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