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Old 02-01-2021, 07:45 AM
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I had to vent my frustration out loud about what just happened to me this weekend.

Had my boat for sale on Marketplace for $16,500. The boat had 392hrs on its Yamaha F150 and was in very good shape overall with a good trailer. Boat needed nothing and was turnkey. Had a guy from Ft. Lauderdale message me about the boat (about 2 1/2hrs away from me). He wanted to negotiate first, which I hate, but I played along. We settled on $14,500 and I only went that low because he assured me that he would be here with cash and a hitch on his truck and if it was as I said it was, he would be taking it home with him, no sea trial, no financing, etc.

We agreed to meet mid day Saturday and he shows up on time, but tells me his mechanic "friend" is on his way also to check out the motor. Sure, that's fine. He shows up about 45min later and proceeds to do a full survey and spends almost 2hrs going through my boat top to bottom. This has me very frustrated of course, he wasted my entire saturday, but as long as he buys the boat I'll be okay with it.

So, 3 1/2hrs after he shows up the mechanic is now done and we are ready to make the deal. The mechanic said the boat checked out exactly like I said it would. 170psi across all 4 cylinders, motor has 392hrs on it exactly like I said it did. There were absolutely zero mechanical/structural issues with the boat and everything was exactly as I described it. Well, he looks me dead in the eyes and says "the boat is great, I'll offer you $11,500 for it"

I just about lost my damn mind. We already agreed on a price (which was low) and the boat checked out EXACTLY as I described it would. He then offers me $5k less than my asking price after wasting my entire Saturday. I told him no effing way and he could pack up and go home. He was even mad that I wouldn't negotiate with him anymore.

What the hell is wrong with people?

For what it's worth, NADA gave the boat a value of $17,780 so I was priced right. I also sold it the next day to a gentleman who came with cash, we did a 20min sea trial and he hooked it up and off he went, just like it should be. I ended up selling it for more so I was happy, but the first guy was the most infuriating situation I think I've ever had to deal with when selling a boat.
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Old 02-01-2021, 08:00 AM
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Yup, there are plenty of those low ballers around, they are always looking to get a steal deal to inflate their perpetually starved ego.
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Slightly off topic, but years ago I played in a successful cover band. Got a call from an agent (who I despised) who said "We want to hire you but we don't want to pay you what you want".

My answer?

"Get somebody else."

I savor that reply 30 years after the fact.

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I had a deal in place when I was trying to sell my first boat, guy checked it out, deal was done... split up to meet back at his house. The problem is he forgot the mention to his wife he was buying a boat, and she killed the deal at delivery.

So add to the pre-sale check-list... Ask if the wife knows about it.
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When someone tries to negotiate the price of something before they even see it do not waste time with them.
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I had the identical situation with a car that I was selling. Ended up selling it for more to a buyer that really appreciated it and we still have a great relationship years later.
Absolutely understand your frustration.
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Silver lining is that he drove all the way up from Ft Lauderdale, wasted his entire day, and didn't walk away with a boat he was going to flip and make 5k off of. You won out on that deal for sure even though your day was wasted.
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I quote my lifelong friend Tom:
"When you sell a boat the nut jobs come out of the woodwork"
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This is the only reason I can think of, and why I am sure alot of people do, use a broker, is to avoid BS like this.
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Good on you for not dropping your price more. I hate people trying to negotiate before seeing something then assume that is the starting for further talks. I would have counter offered at $18500. If it's clean and in that shape, It'll sell soon.
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Originally Posted by walknazty View Post
Silver lining is that he drove all the way up from Ft Lauderdale, wasted his entire day, and didn't walk away with a boat he was going to flip and make 5k off of. You won out on that deal for sure even though your day was wasted.
Not only did he waste his whole day but he probably had to pay the surveyor for his time as well. Good for you not to negotiate on a low ball offer.
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I often times buy boats that are over 800 miles away. I always try to work a deal before I drive there because if I show up its with the cash for the agreed value assuming it all checks out and little crap like bilge pump not working or switch not working isnt going to be a deal beaker. 1 boat I had to negoiate down but there was hull damaged on the keel which the owner I'm sure didn't know about and wasn't bitter at all about me wanting $1,500 more off.

That said when I sell stuff its normally at a good price because I got it at a good price. I also set the price and make it very clear its not negotiable. My stuff normally sells fast. If someone leaves a message with a strong accent I normally don't even call back as they ALWAYS try to chew me down more. I killed a 30k deal once because he asked me 4 times to come down on the price. After 4 I said the the price is now 35,000. He then said fine 30,000 . Nope 35,000 take it or leave it. Sold it later that day to someone else for 30k.
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Come work with me and try to sell some cars. Then you’ll truly understand frustration.
Old 02-01-2021, 08:31 AM
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Is it normal to let another guys mechanic do work on the boat?

What if he stripped the threads doing the compression check? Who pays for that? I would be worried the guy has his BIL posing as a mechanic. How do you guard against this?
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Originally Posted by RLC2020 View Post
I had to vent my frustration out loud about what just happened to me this weekend.

Had my boat for sale on Marketplace for $16,500. The boat had 392hrs on it's Yamaha F150 and was in very good shape overall with a good trailer. Boat needed nothing and was turnkey. Had a guy from Ft. Lauderdale message me about the boat (about 2 1/2hrs away from me). He wanted to negotiate first, which I hate, but I played along. We settled on $14,500 and I only went that low because he assured me that he would be here with cash and a hitch on his truck and if it was as I said it was, he would be taking it home with him, no sea trial, no financing, etc.

We agreed to meet mid day Saturday and he shows up on time, but tells me his mechanic "friend" is on his way also to check out the motor. Sure, that's fine. He shows up about 45min later and proceeds to do a full survey and spends almost 2hrs going through my boat top to bottom. This has me very frustrated of course, he wasted my entire saturday, but as long as he buys the boat I'll be okay with it.

So, 3 1/2hrs after he shows up the mechanic is now done and we are ready to make the deal. The mechanic said the boat checked out exactly like I said it would. 170psi across all 4 cylinders, motor has 392hrs on it exactly like I said it did. There were absolutely zero mechanical/structural issues with the boat and everything was exactly as I described it. Well, he looks me dead in the eyes and says "the boat is great, I'll offer you $11,500 for it"

I just about lost my damn mind. We already agreed on a price (which was low) and the boat checked out EXACTLY as I described it would. He then offers me $5k less than my asking price after wasting my entire Saturday. I told him no effing way and he could pack up and go home. He was even mad that I wouldn't negotiate with him anymore.

What the hell is wrong with people?

For what it's worth, NADA gave the boat a value of $17,780 so I was priced right. I also sold it the next day to a gentleman who came with cash, we did a 20min sea trial and he hooked it up and off he went, just like it should be. I ended up selling it for more so I was happy, but the first guy was the most infuriating situation I think I've ever had to deal with when selling a boat.
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Sucks, but it happens. Lesson learned for the future. I never entertain any negotiations before a buyer looks at a boat in person. Trying to negotiate beforehand is a major red flag that they are just tire kicking or trying to judge how willing you are to drop a price beforehand.
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Some deals go South = sales. Pissing and moaning on those that do only prevents you from moving on and spending energy on the next one.
Most people are good people so you can't let one asshat ruin your day.
He was trying to play you as he has others and took you a bit by the reins. Sales people with time learn when to lead when to sit back and when to jerk on the choke collar all with a smile.
Glad you moved on and sold it for more $$$ the next day.Also glad you spolied his game.
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Originally Posted by Beehaw View Post
Is it normal to let another guys mechanic do work on the boat?

What if he stripped the threads doing the compression check? Who pays for that? I would be worried the guy has his BIL posing as a mechanic. How do you guard against this?
I was definitely concerned about that as he was working on the motor, I guess it's a trust thing and that you have to assume they won't mess it up on you. I wont allow that again unless I vet the mechanic first.
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Dont take it personal, it is just doing business. The guy probably had 14500 on him but was still thinking of keeping a couple grand. You could have made an offer back (14000) or stood your ground at 14500 but not walk away. It is nothing personal;money is money. Why the F did it take the mechanic so long on the survey.

Rules I use for selling.
1. Never ever meet half way, deliver or go out of your way for a sell. Make them drive to you.
2. Never get personal, positive or negative. Just be nice and understanding.
3. Act like you do not care if you sell it or not, "I am still not even sure if I want to sell it" "I love this boat:"
4. Always always always say you have other people who are wanting to buy it, even if that person is the only call you got. " Man I have a guy coming Sunday who really wants it, but if you come on Saturday I will let him know it got sold.
5. Always cash
6. Do not take anything personal, some people are just assholes but it is not like you are marrying him. You will never see them again. And money is money.
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Originally Posted by old hat View Post
Not only did he waste his whole day but he probably had to pay the surveyor for his time as well. Good for you not to negotiate on a low ball offer.
he must have used $50 in gas too. I can imagine the "mechanic" charged him a good amount for a 5hr round trip and 3hrs of work as well. Makes me feel awesome that he walked away with nothing. It was a genuinely good boat too, he certainly missed out.
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Originally Posted by DocHoliday View Post
This is the only reason I can think of, and why I am sure alot of people do, use a broker, is to avoid BS like this.
and how much would that cost, in lieu of wasting a few hours on a Saturday here and there?

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