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Old 01-09-2021, 06:22 AM
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Just out that an Indonesian 737 out of Jakarta has been lost and presumably gone down in the ocean after take off, with reports of 60+ souls on board.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2021/01/09/world/asia/indonesia-plane.amp.http
Old 01-09-2021, 06:26 AM
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It was a 737-500 made in 1996. I doubt it has anything to do with the aircraft design.
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26yr old plane? Was the plane being properly maintained ?
Old 01-09-2021, 07:10 AM
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I believe the 737 is the best selling passenger aircraft of all time so there is always a better chance it's a 737 when there is a crash.
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You get what you pay for. Many foreign carriers have pilots that lack sufficient training. Many get hired without any real world experience. I would never put my family on some of these 3rd world airlines. The FAA and the European equivalent hold pilots to a higher standard than many other countries in the world.
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It is not a 737MAX, it is a second generation 737 (produced from 1984 to 2000) that was 25 years old - if it was a fault with the aircraft, you can bet it was due to age and lack of maintenance and not a design defect.
You wouldn't get me to fly on any of these third world airlines.
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Bad weather could be factor as reported heavy rain, as others said not a max variant
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Indonesian airlines were banned from flying into the EU until I think 2018 due to safety concerns.

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Indonesia is one of our largest export markets. I fly there (or used to). Never never never fly an Indonesian airline. I typically fly from Singapore to Indo on Singapore Airlines.
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My rule of thumb is never fly an airline that is not allowed to fly into the EU or US.
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It's really a testament to how safe and easy to fly these aircraft are that more don't crash in 3d world countries. Their safety and training standards are nowhere close to the US and other developed countries.
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You ain't had fun until you've flown on a Chinese-maintained, Russian copy of a Boeing plane. I kept looking for the string and bailing wire.

My second "favorite" was a Malaysian Air DC-10 going from Singapore to Kuala Lumpur, continuing to India. I was expecting to see pigs and chicken in the aisles.
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You ain't had fun until you've flown on a Chinese-maintained, Russian copy of a Boeing plane. I kept looking for the string and bailing wire.

My second "favorite" was a Malaysian Air DC-10 going from Singapore to Kuala Lumpur, continuing to India. I was expecting to see pigs and chicken in the aisles.
It was heading that way here in the USA with the ESA scam. Fortunately the FAA finally snapped that back and we have returned back to some semblance of sanity.
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Originally Posted by raybark View Post
You ain't had fun until you've flown on a Chinese-maintained, Russian copy of a Boeing plane. I kept looking for the string and bailing wire.

My second "favorite" was a Malaysian Air DC-10 going from Singapore to Kuala Lumpur, continuing to India. I was expecting to see pigs and chicken in the aisles.
Flew Air Moldova in the late 90's from Frankfort to Chisinau. Was an old Russian bomber converted to passenger jet. Still had the bombers glass bubble in the floor up by the cockpit.
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Originally Posted by Widowmaker6 View Post
It's really a testament to how safe and easy to fly these aircraft are that more don't crash in 3d world countries. Their safety and training standards are nowhere close to the US and other developed countries.
Unless you ask the media. Because everyone knows a 400 hour 3rd world trained pilot is the equal of an American pilot with 40 times the experience, a degree from ERAU and 5 type ratings. Because racism, and feeeeeelings.
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Originally Posted by KJS View Post
Flew Air Moldova in the late 90's from Frankfort to Chisinau. Was an old Russian bomber converted to passenger jet. Still had the bombers glass bubble in the floor up by the cockpit.
My cousin married a girl from Moldova. He flew there in 2005 and said it was the scariest thing he has ever done!

Took a handful of flights from Germany to get there. All on ancient Russian jets that he described as flying pieces of scrap metal.

The last plane on his leg, was "spitting and coughing" upon start up of the engines. He was scared $hitless but said the rest of the passengers acted as though nothing was wrong. He knew better, his dad (my uncle), sold jet engines for Pratt & Whitney for 25 years.


The 737 in this incident reportedly just fell out of the sky, dropping some 10,000 feet in under a minute!

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They're starting to recover some debris.
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This plane crashed at an unbelievable velocity. Radar calculated vertical speeds were near 31,000 (I’m assuming mph but could be ft/sec)!!!!...per analysis on a Reddit plane crash analysis sun...
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Originally Posted by c_m_25 View Post
This plane crashed at an unbelievable velocity. Radar calculated vertical speeds were near 31,000 (I’m assuming mph but could be ft/sec)!!!!...per analysis on a Reddit plane crash analysis sun...
The max speed of the space shuttle was around 18,000 MPH. Bad radar info on that posting.
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I can hardly wait until the Air Disasters episode comes out on this one.

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