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Old 01-07-2021, 10:18 PM
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I need to rent one for two weeks for an upcoming outside job. The guy at Sunbelt couldnít answer the following questions hope to get some answers here.

How do the batteries perform when operating in 25-40 degree weather? 33í lift.

I will have no available power to plug in at night but my trucks all have Honda EU7000ís in the beds and I have a few EU3000ís and 2000ís. Can I leave it hooked up to a generator while using it to charge the batteries during the day? Sunbelt guy said itís not recommended. Worse case I could weld up an enclosure for a EU3000 and chain it to the lift letting it run till it runs out of gas or gets stolen every night.

Diesel boom lift would be more of a PITA liability given the site conditions. Trying to avoid getting it on site, finding it wonít work and wasting time and money.

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If you arenít familiar you can get boom lifts with multiple articulation points that are much easier to maneuver in tight spaces. More controls to figure out but they are pretty versatile and can get into some crazy angular places.
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I don't know the answers to your questions, but I do know a few things about honda eu2000 amd battery charging.

The charging ports are only 8 amps. So they won't charge much. You would be better off running a battery charger that's 120v and 40 or 50 amps off the generator. An eu2000 can run a 50 amp charger on 120v.

On the other hand, I have ruined a battery with the 8 amp hookup though as the EU2000 can run about 8.5/9 hours on eco mode with just the dc port connected. It has no charging regulation. It just charges at 8 amps until it runs out of gas. I spaced and fried a battery.


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Thats a pretty big lift, I wouldn't waste time with electric at that size, especially if you have mud or gravel to deal with. Diesel or dual fuel is the ticket.

Some guys seem to be able to get them stuck pretty fast, if there isn't a friendly back hoe on site, keep a four wheel drive pick up with a winch or at least some traction mats handy.

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We own 4 JLG Lifts. The will not operate when power is connected to the charger. We always have a spotter. He will unplug the lift when it needs to be moved. The average is 6 hours to charge a lift battery when dead. You will be surprised how long the batteries last. Depends on how much driving you do. We run Gel batteries. We are in FL, so temp is not an issue.
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Get a Sky Trac with a man cage.
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Originally Posted by aboattime View Post
We own 4 JLG Lifts. The will not operate when power is connected to the charger. We always have a spotter. He will unplug the lift when it needs to be moved. The average is 6 hours to charge a lift battery when dead. You will be surprised how long the batteries last. Depends on how much driving you do. We run Gel batteries. We are in FL, so temp is not an issue.

Thanks for confirming what the guy was unsure if it will run when being charged. We wonít be driving it around a lot just working our way around a 300í long building. Going up and down for supplies will be the largest power drain.

The building has a ton of tall trees 20í away from it so the scissor lift would fit perfectly. Older occupied building, Pretty level grass all the way around and I have ground protection mats I plan on using to keep the grass from getting torn up.
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Why the hell would you want an electric AT Scissor lift???

Just get a diesel AT Scissor lift.
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We run a JLG 400 series at work, I would try and get a 300 or 400 series dual fuel boom lift. Our's is much more stable on grass than any scissor lift and the dual fuel is just easier without power readily available. 25-40 degree temps will severely affect battery life. At 32F you only get about 65% of the rated capacity on a battery, at 0F that number drops to 40 percent. The articulating boom is handy for working around obstructions or trees as well. I believe the 400 series is rated right at 500 lb capacity in the basket
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Originally Posted by sharpest View Post
if you arenít familiar you can get boom lifts with multiple articulation points that are much easier to maneuver in tight spaces. More controls to figure out but they are pretty versatile and can get into some crazy angular places.
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Originally Posted by Just1more View Post
Why the hell would you want an electric AT Scissor lift???

Just get a diesel AT Scissor lift.
Exactly. Called around and all I can find is electric for rent. Trying a few other places today.
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Iíve never used an electric all terrain. Ours ran on propane. There was a starter battery but that rarely needed charging.
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batteries last a long time! as salesman stated, not recommended to use them while plugged in. can damage the boards in them.
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Originally Posted by rgmaree6 View Post
We run a JLG 400 series at work, I would try and get a 300 or 400 series dual fuel boom lift. Our's is much more stable on grass than any scissor lift and the dual fuel is just easier without power readily available. 25-40 degree temps will severely affect battery life. At 32F you only get about 65% of the rated capacity on a battery, at 0F that number drops to 40 percent. The articulating boom is handy for working around obstructions or trees as well. I believe the 400 series is rated right at 500 lb capacity in the basket
Your cold weather battery life numbers are what I was afraid of. That wonít work.

Trying to stay with a scissor lift. This time of year ground freezes at night and very soggy during the day. If I need to come back with my bobcat after we finish to flatten out the grass Iím only talking a 8í strip around the building. I give my guys a boom lift and now the area multiplies 10X.

Thanks everybody Iíll keep calling around till I find a diesel unit for rent

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Originally Posted by AsurfAholic View Post
Iíve never used an electric all terrain. Ours ran on propane. There was a starter battery but that rarely needed charging.
Ditto I've only used one once and it was propane.
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Originally Posted by bjm9818 View Post
I need to rent one for two weeks for an upcoming outside job. The guy at Sunbelt couldn’t answer the following questions hope to get some answers here.

How do the batteries perform when operating in 25-40 degree weather? 33’ lift.

I will have no available power to plug in at night but my trucks all have Honda EU7000’s in the beds and I have a few EU3000’s and 2000’s. Can I leave it hooked up to a generator while using it to charge the batteries during the day? Sunbelt guy said it’s not recommended. Worse case I could weld up an enclosure for a EU3000 and chain it to the lift letting it run till it runs out of gas or gets stolen every night.

Diesel boom lift would be more of a PITA liability given the site conditions. Trying to avoid getting it on site, finding it won’t work and wasting time and money.
My older ones work just fine being plugged in while in use.
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I would go boom over scissor if you can do so. Unless the ground is dead flat around the parameter, keeping the cage close enough to the building face to do useful work is very difficult. You will more basket weight capacity out of a straight boom than you will an articulated, and can also work more quickly if you are working the face of the structure. Straight booms typically have wider 8' baskets, where articulated lifts are generally smaller 6' or so wide. Other advantage of a straight boom is it doesn't have to be re-positioned very often if you set it right next to the building and work the boom. Boom will be a bit heavier, but if you can stick to a 40' should be manageable. Big weight jump and increase in footprint when you jump to a 60' stick. if you need power for tools, many of them are now equipped with "sky power" which is a built on generator. Just flip a switch and have power in the basket.

I used to work for sunbelt myself. Many of the RT scissors have shifted to electric because they are most often used for doing overhead work inside buildings prior to the slab being poured. Think inside a walmart or lowes. Building often goes up prior to the slab going down. This is for a variety of reasons, but one is to let trades work in the dry. They are running on "rough terrain," aka uneven dirt, but are still indoors. Exhaust fumes suck in such conditions, so the shift of late has been towards electric for that application. Being able to plug in while in use will very greatly model to model. Some lock out the lift when plugged in, others don't. Pretty well zero chance of a rental location being able to accommodate that specific request. From a safety standpoint, doing so is highly discouraged regardless.
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Exactly. Called around and all I can find is electric for rent. Trying a few other places today.
We rent them all the time from Sunbelt. Where are you??
Try United Rental.
The platform/Scissor lifts certainly have more capacity than boom or articulating boom lift.
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We rent them all the time from Sunbelt. Where are you??
Try United Rental.
The platform/Scissor lifts certainly have more capacity than boom or articulating boom lift.
May try your local CAT dealer as well. Many have rental houses now. Neff is now part of United. Depending on where you are there may be an H&E location, Ahern, and Herc (Formerly Hertz).
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Originally Posted by rgmaree6 View Post
We run a JLG 400 series at work, I would try and get a 300 or 400 series dual fuel boom lift. Our's is much more stable on grass than any scissor lift and the dual fuel is just easier without power readily available. 25-40 degree temps will severely affect battery life. At 32F you only get about 65% of the rated capacity on a battery, at 0F that number drops to 40 percent. The articulating boom is handy for working around obstructions or trees as well. I believe the 400 series is rated right at 500 lb capacity in the basket
I sell JLG lifts amongst other things and I concur with the above.

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