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Default Any network/home security experts?

Building a new home and need some help designing/wiring a home network with security cams, and maybe a security system

Looking to run security cams, and Orbi Pro Mesh network with ceiling mounts.

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You don’t want the guy at my house right now. He’s lost and confused 3 hours into this. I think I’m getting ready to tell him to leave.......never mind, just told him we have people coming in 20 minutes. Give me your address and I’ll send him your way.
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Originally Posted by OffshoreApparel.com View Post
Building a new home and need some help designing/wiring a home network with security cams, and maybe a security system

Looking to run security cams, and Orbi Pro Mesh network with ceiling mounts.
If you're doing planning on doing ceiling mounts, I'd go with UniFi. It's a 'prosumer' product and does NOT lose bandwith like a mesh system does.

I have a unifi dream machine (which covers wifi for front of house) and a UniFi nano that covers the back. Perfect signal throughout 2900sf of an 'L' shaped house. Simply add more nano's with ethernet homeruns to the dream machine.

https://store.ui.com/collections/rou...-dream-machine
https://unifi-nanohd.ui.com/
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Just curious, is wired systems obsolete now?
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Originally Posted by king_me View Post
Just curious, is wired systems obsolete now?
No, I plan to backhaul the base unit to the ceiling units using cat6. At least that's what I understand is the best route to avoid any loss or issues switching from one unit to another. Orbi can do this, eero can not.

However, this is also one reason I started the thread.
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Originally Posted by themossman View Post
If you're doing planning on doing ceiling mounts, I'd go with UniFi. It's a 'prosumer' product and does NOT lose bandwith like a mesh system does.

I have a unifi dream machine (which covers wifi for front of house) and a UniFi nano that covers the back. Perfect signal throughout 2900sf of an 'L' shaped house. Simply add more nano's with ethernet homeruns to the dream machine.

https://store.ui.com/collections/rou...-dream-machine
https://unifi-nanohd.ui.com/
Thanks for the tip, I'll look into it. Do the ceiling units need to be plugged in? Where u put the outlets? I'm thinking I'll have the builder add outlets in the attic above where the ceiling units will go and just run the power cord through the back, so its completely hidden.

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I'm an SMB IT consultant by trade for 30 years....I deal with business computers and networks for a living, and all things related.
Also trained in Ubiquiti network equipment..it's my favorite brand and I install a lot of it. Yeah Netgears Orbi system is good too..one of the better mesh setups.
And deal with security camera systems too.

So...what can ya provide us for info? Can ya get a rough sketch up of the house?
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Originally Posted by YeOldeStonecat View Post
I'm an SMB IT consultant by trade for 30 years....I deal with business computers and networks for a living, and all things related.
Also trained in Ubiquiti network equipment..it's my favorite brand and I install a lot of it. Yeah Netgears Orbi system is good too..one of the better mesh setups.
And deal with security camera systems too.

So...what can ya provide us for info? Can ya get a rough sketch up of the house?
Sure thing. Will PM you. Thx.

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Sure thing. Will PM you. Thx.

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Yuppers.
I got a long day tomorrow for an onsite expanding a large network even more but if I can't squeeze in a few answers tomorrow I'm mostly back in the office Wednesday...I'll get back to ya.
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I would use cat 6a incase you need any poe. Longer distances than cat6.
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Originally Posted by OffshoreApparel.com View Post
Thanks for the tip, I'll look into it. Do the ceiling units need to be plugged in? Where u put the outlets? I'm thinking I'll have the builder add outlets in the attic above where the ceiling units will go and just run the power cord through the back, donuts completely hidden.
No they don't need to be plugged in. They are POE. So the ethernet (cat 6) provides the power for the unit. You can also get POE cameras.
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I was a BICSI guy when that was a thing and I still like wire. Wire is cheap get the state of the art at the time. When I wired my house that was Cat5A and it seems fine running gigabit Ethernet. We only use WiFi for the guests and my wife's "stuff that fits in your purse".
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I would consider using CAT 7 cable and definitely only use wired IP cameras w/POE for security. I'd plan to wire as much as possible (Home office, TV, etc). Also wireless, but only for mobile devices.

I would also run two cables to each port/jack instead of one.
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Originally Posted by urbnsr View Post
I would consider using CAT 7 cable and definitely only use wired IP cameras w/POE for security. I'd plan to wire as much as possible (Home office, TV, etc). Also wireless, but only for mobile devices.

I would also run two cables to each port/jack instead of one.

Noted on the Cat7, but why 2 cables to each jack instead of one? Other than the office, I can't imagine the need for more than one. Cat7 is pricey.


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Bundled structured cable to every room is what I did for a friend...
https://www.cableandwireshop.com/bun...ber-optic.html

Cat 6, Coax and Fiber to every room...
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Originally Posted by BadgerS View Post
Bundled structured cable to every room is what I did for a friend...
https://www.cableandwireshop.com/bun...ber-optic.html

Cat 6, Coax and Fiber to every room...

That's pretty bad ass, what's running on Fiber Optic in the home right now? besides Fios?

Also, why even run coax any longer?

Unfortunately, we don't have access to Fios now and don't expect to in the future, due to only 37 home community with a long run from the main road.

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Originally Posted by OffshoreApparel.com View Post
Noted on the Cat7, but why 2 cables to each jack instead of one? Other than the office, I can't imagine the need for more than one. Cat7 is pricey.


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Yeah - CAT 7 is pricey, so I may stick with CAT6. Depends how long I think I'm going to be there thinking that speeds are only going to get faster.

I like to run multiple runs for a few reasons: If I need 1000', I'd buy two 1000' pull boxes so labor to run two is no increase. I know I could install a switch if needed, but I like to keep hardware count down - just something else to fail. If I have VOIP, I might like to keep the phones on their own, separate network. If one cable gets damaged somewhere along the run, the other might be OK, so I wouldn't HAVE to pull another run. I do like to have all cables gather to one central location for greater flexibility with connections, etc. I also pull way too much tail and coil up the extra in the wall - That's probably just me, though.

Once the cables are ran, I'd probably forget about the added cost, but maybe that's just a memory problem.
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Originally Posted by OffshoreApparel.com View Post
That's pretty bad ass, what's running on Fiber Optic in the home right now? besides Fios?

Also, why even run coax any longer?

Unfortunately, we don't have access to Fios now and don't expect to in the future, due to only 37 home community with a long run from the main road.

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If you want to extend HDMI 2 or higher beyond a meter or two you'll need fiber or some proprietary multi CAT6/7 balun system.
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Don't coil data cable you are better off just letting it lay randomly in the wall. Just act like you are laying rode in an anchor locker. You want it to pull out easily.
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Although I have wireless, I run Cat 6e to every security camera.
I have been renovating my house for a few years and have 2 Cat 6e drops in every room.It is cheap to run and a good idea to do before the drywall goes up.

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