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Old 12-17-2020, 05:15 PM
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A KLR is a turd on wheels...not really good for anything.

But yeah, H-D is way late. their problem is by the time they figured out that adventure riding is most popular nowadays, everyone is already married to another brand. And no one's buying cruisers.
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I've had a bunch of Harley's. Matter of fact, I just bought a new Streetglide this week.
I also have a KTM 1090R, it's a beast..

Ride what you like....
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Originally Posted by YeOldeStonecat View Post
On a long trip, nah...on ANY trip, I'll take a carb. Simple to fix if needed. I never got stranded by an air/fuel mixture from a carb. If I did, with the usual bag of tools I carried...I'd have fixed it.

Now...I've seen FI Harleys get stuck on the side of the road from electronic FI issues...requiring a call to the stealership for a trailer to come pick up the bike. 100% hard dead in the water til hauled back to the stealership. Weekend warriors!

Iíve ridden tens of thousands of miles on FI HDís and ridden with many many others that between us have at least a million miles on FI bikes and havenít seen a single fuel injection/ECM failure yet. The Delphi fuel injection used by HD is a solid platform.
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It is a decent system, there was a recall btw, had a RK that sprayed fuel all over my left leg one night, also had to replace fuel line inside tank, recently there have been complaints of sensors overheating and it goes into limp mode, they are great bikes but the company is on a slippery slope, another new model that won't help the slide....
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Originally Posted by bigjimmie View Post
HD had the original adventure bike

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I wonder if the got the skip out of the motor for this one ?
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Originally Posted by usernamewastaken View Post
Iíve ridden tens of thousands of miles on FI HDís and ridden with many many others that between us have at least a million miles on FI bikes and havenít seen a single fuel injection/ECM failure yet. The Delphi fuel injection used by HD is a solid platform.
Oh yeah I'm sure everyone will pull out the old "I've ridden 10 millions miles with 1,000 other rides and ain't never seen a problem". I've seen it..by eyes didn't fail me. I've read it in HD forums...by other neutral owners/enthusiasts...doubt they were lying. I never said it was a high percentage...just, when it happened..it was a show stopper. One of the bummers of all electronic and fly by wire. The rider isn't going to repair that on the side of the road.
Sure the Delphi systems they switched to after a few years was better than the initial Marelli systems which sucked. I had a Twinkie 88 with a delphi. Boring as all he11 to me Worse yet was it was one of the early years of the 6 spd with its horrendous inner primary bearing issue...I had to rip that apart and apply the fix.. The newer blockheads (M8's)..like a goldwing boring to me. I much preferred old loping idle carb's Evos 'n Shovelheads. Didn't have to buy those tuning kits to try to make it sound like an old original. And my wifes carb'ed Sporty.
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The market for XL ADV bikes is drying up most good Adventure bikes are in the 650-800 cc range, because you have got to be able to pick it up from a nap
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Yeah I tried taking a 1200GS off road once. ONCE.

Even my V-Strom makes a piss poor ADV bike in the sense of being able to go off road. People can say what they want but they suck off road. Yes they'll handle fire roads and mild trails and will take you around the world running on bolivian gas-water.

A true adventure bike that can go down the highway and also tackle a real trail is something like a DR650 (slightly more road oriented) or the XR650L (much more dirt oriented than the doctor). These are adventure bikes.

Gregg I'm pretty sure I have seen you over on ADVRider. Hwy 33 out of Ojai is probably the best thing I've ever ridden.
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Originally Posted by YeOldeStonecat View Post
Oh yeah I'm sure everyone will pull out the old "I've ridden 10 millions miles with 1,000 other rides and ain't never seen a problem". I've seen it..by eyes didn't fail me. I've read it in HD forums...by other neutral owners/enthusiasts...doubt they were lying. I never said it was a high percentage...just, when it happened..it was a show stopper. One of the bummers of all electronic and fly by wire. The rider isn't going to repair that on the side of the road.
Sure the Delphi systems they switched to after a few years was better than the initial Marelli systems which sucked. I had a Twinkie 88 with a delphi. Boring as all he11 to me Worse yet was it was one of the early years of the 6 spd with its horrendous inner primary bearing issue...I had to rip that apart and apply the fix.. The newer blockheads (M8's)..like a goldwing boring to me. I much preferred old loping idle carb's Evos 'n Shovelheads. Didn't have to buy those tuning kits to try to make it sound like an old original. And my wifes carb'ed Sporty.

No need to be hostile. My experience is obviously different than yours.

I typed a bunch of other shit and then thought to myself why bother. You might be right, Itís crazy that engineers would even think about using fuel injection and fly by wire on vehicles.
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[QUOTE=NCSUboater;14311232]A KLR is a turd on wheels...not really good for anything.

Reminded me of this Video.
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Originally Posted by NCSUboater View Post
A KLR is a turd on wheels...not really good for anything.

Reminded me of this Video. https://youtu.be/Zibj7KnjClk


I've never seen that...pretty damn funny.

A KLR is not a dual sport bike, though I wouldn't give a crap if I had one and it got knocked over.
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Originally Posted by kmagnuss View Post
Lol Harley adventure bike. Good one. Is it April Fools Day already?
A few guys who have to have everything and are fanatical about the HD logo, hot tubs with the H.D. at the bottom, wear HD fashion 100% of the time etc etc might buy a few and like their other bikes never ride them, canít see too many others signing up.

Reminds me of marketing the Sopwith Camel as an alternative to the F22........
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They're entering a segment that's already saturated with competitors. It'll be interesting to see how it's priced. Harley fanatics might fall in line, but with the likes of BMW and Ducati to contend with, I hope they're not betting the company on it.
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Originally Posted by Commocean View Post
They're entering a segment that's already saturated with competitors. It'll be interesting to see how it's priced. Harley fanatics might fall in line, but with the likes of BMW and Ducati to contend with, I hope they're not betting the company on it.
I think they have to be betting the company on it

The problem with Harley is a Harley fanatic (who are almost universally about to be in walkers - no offense to you old dudes) wouldn't be caught dead on this type of a bike. So they'll think it's stupid.

Adventure bike riders, on the other hand, pretty much hate Harley Davidson and especially H-D riders and will have nothing to do with the company.

Couple that with the fact that overall interest in motorcycling with the younger generation is shockingly low and I just don't see where Harley fits in.

but again I hope they do well and this thing sells like wildfire.

The adventure bike market is white hot, but unfortunately it's being driven by the very type of riders who despise everything Harley-Davidson so I just don't think they're going to bite on this. Generally speaking.

I'm 34 and personally Harleys have never been cool to me. I mean I like them, and would love to have a Sportster to tool around on but I've never found full dressers to really be interesting.

That's not to say they aren't beautiful bikes...they certainly are and that from that standpoint I appreciate them. But just not my cup of fresh ground freedom press coffee.

And I think choppers are just the Carolina squat in motorcycle form. There I said it.



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So, are they going to enter the scooter market too? Might have more success there...ha ha ha
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So, are they going to enter the scooter market too? Might have more success there...ha ha ha
Sort of did, with 300cc base, in India. Don't recall it lasting long.

Early on, they had scooter HD's. 1950 maybe.

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