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Old 11-21-2020, 11:57 AM
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A lot of people ignore the law and are basing their opinion of innocence of morality. Crossing state lines, entering a dangerous area, all that stuff aside, there is one point he can't dodge. He was possessing that weapon illegally in either state and you cannot use a firearm in self defense when committing a crime. How does he get past that?
Old 11-21-2020, 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Marlinmate1 View Post
Actor Ricky Schroder and My Pillow CEO Mike Lindell both helped get Kenosha shooter Kyle Rittenhouse out of jail on a $2 million bond Friday, according to a report.
https://nypost.com/2020/11/21/ricky-...ign=SocialFlow
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Originally Posted by TorFed View Post
A lot of people ignore the law and are basing their opinion of innocence of morality. Crossing state lines, entering a dangerous area, all that stuff aside, there is one point he can't dodge. He was possessing that weapon illegally in either state and you cannot use a firearm in self defense when committing a crime. How does he get past that?
Because he could use a firearm in self defense?

The premise you are assuming is an absolute unsupported by trial law. In some states, you can not claim self defense if you are using it to commit a crime. For example, a guy breaks into a house with a gun and wins a gun fight with the home owner. The criminal is the aggressor and has no claim to self defense in the use of the gun. He can not justify the homicide he committed with self defense. Your premise is that he may have committed a misdemeanor in how he obtained the rifle thus he has no claim to self defense. The two events are disconnected in the that claimed misdemeanor happened weeks before the event. They are not related. The events themselves have multiple videos that show him being assaulted by the mob and seems to be clearly self defense.
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Old 11-21-2020, 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by EdwardB View Post
All of that may be true and in a bubble, Kyle was absolutely justified to fire upon his attackers. BUT there are a few things that trouble the flock out of me on this saga. The kid illegally aquired his AR through a straw purchase, crossed state lines in order to provide protection for property that he had no affiliation to. I saw an interview of Kyle before things went sideways for him by a local news crew. He explained that he was there to "provide first aid and that it was his "job" to protect the gas station he was at for some time. BTW, the owner of the gas station is on record that he did not hire Kyle to provide "security". ALL THAT troubles me and now there's no doubt that he is in a world of trouble at the moment. He comes off as a kid that's obsessed with all things LEO/Military/Firearms. I think he saw the events in Kenosha as a green light to live out a fantasy amongst all that crazy crap going down.

Now, I have no sympathy for those killed - they were actively trying to disarm him and who knows what would have happened if that occured. I was not there and can't know for sure but I highly doubt that Kyle was an aggressor and that it led to those dudes to attack HIM. I also saw a video clip of one of the victims Joseph Rosenbaum, (white boy gangsta wannabe for sure) at that gas station earlier that night. He was antagonizing those armed guys protecting the property asking them to "Go man, shoot me N$%%A! Shoot me!" Well, he got shot allright. I feel for the kid but a string of really bad decisions have put his ass in a sling - even if he's going home for a bit on that 2MM bail. Complicated case for sure.....

What bothers me the most is people like you spouting their opinions on the matter when you are clearly uneducated on what happened. What I highlighted in red above is 100% wrong. I didn't even bother reading the rest.
Old 11-21-2020, 03:42 PM
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Kid went looking for a fight and found it. Guilty of something. Court is a battle of lawyers, not necessarily right or wrong.
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Regardless of ownership legality....he defended himself.
Yes or no?
From there the best bullshit artist attorney wins over the jury.
He could've used the kids own skateboard against him and killed him...did he own the skateboard legally.
You cannot apply common sense here.....
Do I agree.....no.
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Old 11-21-2020, 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by BLUESMAN View Post
Kid went looking for a fight and found it. Guilty of something. Court is a battle of lawyers, not necessarily right or wrong.
So, if someone carries a weapon they are looking for a fight? Sound logic you have there. By that logic, a woman wearing a skirt is looking to get raped. Someone walking down a street is looking to get hit by a car.
Old 11-21-2020, 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by BLUESMAN View Post
Kid went looking for a fight and found it. Guilty of something. Court is a battle of lawyers, not necessarily right or wrong.
I'd say the fight picked him and provoked him....he could of shot alot of people prior.....
Why didn't he....
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Applying our common sense here is is like eating soup with chopsticks
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Originally Posted by FishnDive View Post
Dumb ass kid takes a loaded gun to a protest in the city, his life would have been a lot better if he stayed at home in his state. He screwed up his life big time with bad decisions
how do you feel about the rioters?

Since LE wasn't stopping them, would you think citizens had a duty to stand up to them and protect their own?

Old 11-21-2020, 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Ryan H. View Post
how do you feel about the rioters?

Since LE wasn't stopping them, would you think citizens had a duty to stand up to them and protect their own?
How I feel doesn't matter, what matters is what does the law say.

If you are a going to be a vigilante and kill someone, you better have some good lawyers, it's going to cost you big time for a criminal lawyer and it's going to cost you a lot for a good civil lawyer, when the family sues you for 3 million dollars
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Since we've gone down this route....what are the records of the individuals shot????

Maybe Cracker could chime in.........
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From what I understand it’s illegal to purchase not possess. Anyways I doubt you will find 12 people who agree.
Old 11-21-2020, 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by FishnDive View Post
How I feel doesn't matter, what matters is what does the law say.

If you are a going to be a vigilante and kill someone, you better have some good lawyers, it's going to cost you big time for a criminal lawyer and it's going to cost you a lot for a good civil lawyer, when the family sues you for 3 million dollars
you are quick to condemn Kyle, just out of curiosity, do you also condemn the rioters?

Part of any Civil suit is a balancing of liabilities, you can't have dirty hands so to speak, you can't pick a fight and then claim self defense for example, I'm trying to lead the conversation towards something productive, if you believe the rioters started the fight, then you can make a legal and moral argument to support Kyle's actions.

If the rioters are out of line, and I'd say they were, then arming yourself and going out to push back against them a bit, when the police won't help you, would be self defense and under the law justified, the hiccup is that he may or may not have been legally armed given the state law, it is an interested case for sure
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Where is Cracker. Always enjoyed his perspective.

I guess Kyle shouldn’t have been out helping others while the city was being rioted.

He was just working for the wrong side.
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Originally Posted by mitchk View Post
So, if someone carries a weapon they are looking for a fight? Sound logic you have there. By that logic, a woman wearing a skirt is looking to get raped. Someone walking down a street is looking to get hit by a car.
Originally Posted by Lprizman View Post
I'd say the fight picked him and provoked him....he could of shot alot of people prior.....
Why didn't he....
Once again
Applying our common sense here is is like eating soup with chopsticks
I’m not going to argue this, just my opinion and what I understand from reports, none of us really know, yet.
Kid had an illegal weapon and brought it to a protest, not quite like a concealed carry, there was a purpose to provoke (IMO only).
The fight wouldn’t have even know about him if he wasn’t there or spotted him if he wasn’t so obvious. All in it’s a bad story that shouldn’t have happened.
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Originally Posted by Lprizman View Post
Since we've gone down this route....what are the records of the individuals shot????

Maybe Cracker could chime in.........
Originally Posted by nccoaster View Post
Where is Cracker. Always enjoyed his perspective.

I guess Kyle shouldn’t have been out helping others while the city was being rioted.

He was just working for the wrong side.
Cracker indicated that he was taking a break from THT.
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Originally Posted by Copper Collar View Post
What bothers me the most is people like you spouting their opinions on the matter when you are clearly uneducated on what happened. What I highlighted in red above is 100% wrong. I didn't even bother reading the rest.
I said I was not there, were you copper? Let's make a bet that Kyle got his AR illegally. I mean I'm uneducated so maybe you can learn me. I'm all ears yo....

Come at me cop.....

And LOL this is a discussion board. Opinions are posted regularly. Are you one of those people who condemn those who differ from what you believe????
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Originally Posted by Ryan H. View Post
how do you feel about the rioters?

Since LE wasn't stopping them, would you think citizens had a duty to stand up to them and protect their own?
Originally Posted by Ryan H. View Post
you are quick to condemn Kyle, just out of curiosity, do you also condemn the rioters?

Part of any Civil suit is a balancing of liabilities, you can't have dirty hands so to speak, you can't pick a fight and then claim self defense for example, I'm trying to lead the conversation towards something productive, if you believe the rioters started the fight, then you can make a legal and moral argument to support Kyle's actions.

If the rioters are out of line, and I'd say they were, then arming yourself and going out to push back against them a bit, when the police won't help you, would be self defense and under the law justified, the hiccup is that he may or may not have been legally armed given the state law, it is an interested case for sure
I'm not condemning Kyle, he had good intentions but going to a protest with a loaded AR15 was stupid. He was challenged because he had a gun. It turned to shit.

My argument is with people who think they can be vigilantes protecting property and kill someone without a long drawn out legal process that will cost them big time. They may get off, they may go to prison, either way it is going to be very expensive
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Originally Posted by FishnDive View Post
I'm not condemning Kyle, he had good intentions but going to a protest with a loaded AR15 was stupid. He was challenged because he had a gun. It turned to shit.

My argument is with people who think they can be vigilantes protecting property and kill someone without a long drawn out legal process that will cost them big time. They may get off, they may go to prison, either way it is going to be very expensive
Until you start being an evening opinion personality for New Max.

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