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Old 10-17-2020, 10:04 AM
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Default DOD. Flying during Covid. Very safe.

USA Today summary:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/trave...9ClXn7Ij1sNpYY

Actual study.
https://www.ustranscom.mil/cmd/docs/...rt%20Final.pdf


Enjoy the cheap fares while they're here...
Old 10-17-2020, 10:22 AM
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I fly almost every week. No rona yet.
Old 10-18-2020, 06:18 AM
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I am going to call those studies into question, especially since many of them were made when planes were far more empty then they are now. As to the specific study referenced, it is an airflow analysis and thus hypothetical - it does not take into account the actual behavior of travelers.
While Delta, JetBlue & Southwest have blocked off middle seats so that you are not on top of one another, United and American (airlines I avoid like the plague) have not, and most people who I know who have flown them say those planes, especially in the cheap seats, are packed.
I didn't start flying until about 6 weeks ago, and only about 8 total flights since then. Since NY still has the Covid-19 travel restrictions in place, the airports and planes departing/arriving here are less than half full.
I think the are still far safer than NYC mass transit, which I am still avoiding.
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I'm in the process of booking ski trip weekends out through spring and flights are not really cheap at at all.

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We flew yesterday from AL to MT. No problems.
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Did a quick trip inter-country no issues.

But for deals maybe in US. Airfare way to high in the North
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Yea the people who are saying “cheap seats and cheap tickets “ obviously aren’t flying. I’ve flown ever week consistently. No corona virus here.

airilines are desperately trying to do something to get travelers back. But the problem is these states and bodies govts are keeping them shutdown. No reason to go anyway if everything is closed or restricted.

biggest scam of our lifetime. Hope it’s over soon and there’s some airlines left to do business.
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I know a couple of people who would disagree....
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Was just checking to see if there was any place to fly to this winter.
https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/u...-19/index.html
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Riddle me this, why is it ok to sit within 30" of someone on a plane but Rona restrictions everywhere else require distancing of 6'?
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Clean COVID test 72 hours before departure you are free to roam about and Hawaii has killer deals on air and condos!!!

Will have the Islands to yourself and no passport required!!


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Originally Posted by Fish'nFool View Post
Riddle me this, why is it ok to sit within 30" of someone on a plane but Rona restrictions everywhere else require distancing of 6'?
Or...why is it ok to be playing football with no one wearing masks? Not that I care...just showing how stupid this whole thing is.

A few weeks ago we flew a total of 4 legs of flights...and I shit you not every single seat was full on every leg. I mean so full there was no space for bags.

Yeah, and wearing the mask is reeeeaaallly helping. Not.

It's all a fabricated bunch of nonsense.

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Originally Posted by hotwire_marine View Post
Yea the people who are saying “cheap seats and cheap tickets “ obviously aren’t flying. I’ve flown ever week consistently. No corona virus here.

airilines are desperately trying to do something to get travelers back. But the problem is these states and bodies govts are keeping them shutdown. No reason to go anyway if everything is closed or restricted.

biggest scam of our lifetime. Hope it’s over soon and there’s some airlines left to do business.
Airlines have stated they're not dropping prices if demand isn't there. They'll sell what they can sell at a profitable price and reduce flying. The days of $12 flights to fill an airplane aren't here. Like you've stated, "deals" aren't really out there. Maybe a few city pairs here and there, but if you're flying somewhere anyone wants to go, it's booked and full price from what I'm seeing.

Originally Posted by Fish'nFool View Post
Riddle me this, why is it ok to sit within 30" of someone on a plane but Rona restrictions everywhere else require distancing of 6'?
If you can stand 6' away, you should. TSA is enforcing it, airlines are enforcing it at the gate, and the lounges I've been in are heavily enforcing it as well. Airplanes are apparently less likely to spread because people mostly face one direction, conversation is limited, there are HEPA filters on board, and 50% of cabin air is replaced every circulation.

Originally Posted by NCSUboater View Post
Or...why is it ok to be playing football with no one wearing masks? Not that I care...just showing how stupid this whole thing is.

A few weeks ago we flew a total of 4 legs of flights...and I shit you not every single seat was full on every leg. I mean so full there was no space for bags.

Yeah, and wearing the mask is reeeeaaallly helping. Not.

It's all a fabricated bunch of nonsense.
Let's not fabricate another narrative because we're upset. Football players are tested over 3 times a week at $70/test. They're locked in a bubble for the most part and teams aren't allowing traveling home to see families, eating out, or even social events. If you want that to become the requirement for everyone, so be it, but it would be expensive to go apples to apples with what NCAAFB is doing.
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Originally Posted by jj1987 View Post

Let's not fabricate another narrative because we're upset. Football players are tested over 3 times a week at $70/test. They're locked in a bubble for the most part and teams aren't allowing traveling home to see families, eating out, or even social events. If you want that to become the requirement for everyone, so be it, but it would be expensive to go apples to apples with what NCAAFB is doing.
Lol, pretending to be my mom aside, that's exactly the requirement some people want. It's absurd.

Tell me this...why are coaches continuing to wear the masks then? And the refs? Are they not tested as well? One would think if a football player is precluded from wearing a mask due to his rigorous testing, his coach who's likely screaming in his face would be as well. Yet the coaches are still wearing masks...except, of course, when they need to scream in a player's face. Then they pull it down.

Just saying, it's all bs.

And you cannot possibly tell me that on the airplane with less than 2 feet between my head and the next fat slob's wearing a mask is in any way safer because there's a HEPA filter. It's a giant freaking petri dish, which is why under normal circumstances so many people get colds after riding on an airplane.

Note, I don't care about sitting next to someone on a plane or what the football teams are doing. What I'm pointing out is the absurdity of the whole thing. Like tables at a restaurant being a safe zone. Just make it to your table with your mask on, don't step on the lava, and you're safe. The Wuhan can't get you if you are at your table.

Absurd. Wash your damn hands.
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Originally Posted by NCSUboater View Post
Lol, pretending to be my mom aside, that's exactly the requirement some people want. It's absurd.

Tell me this...why are coaches continuing to wear the masks then? And the refs? Are they not tested as well? One would think if a football player is precluded from wearing a mask due to his rigorous testing, his coach who's likely screaming in his face would be as well. Yet the coaches are still wearing masks...except, of course, when they need to scream in a player's face. Then they pull it down.

Just saying, it's all bs.

And you cannot possibly tell me that on the airplane with less than 2 feet between my head and the next fat slob's wearing a mask is in any way safer because there's a HEPA filter. It's a giant freaking petri dish, which is why under normal circumstances so many people get colds after riding on an airplane.

Note, I don't care about sitting next to someone on a plane or what the football teams are doing. What I'm pointing out is the absurdity of the whole thing. Like tables at a restaurant being a safe zone. Just make it to your table with your mask on, don't step on the lava, and you're safe. The Wuhan can't get you if you are at your table.

Absurd. Wash your damn hands.
Coaches have the same testing protocols as the players. They do (generally) keep the mask up when interacting with anyone outside of their bubble such as the refs. The fact is each conference had limited time to come up with protocols to save the CFB season, and I'm enjoying the games we're able to have. I'm thankful they moved forward without being 100% perfect and waiting until 2021.

Originally Posted by Fish'nFool View Post
You're missing the point...

Restaurants are REQUIRED to maintain customers at a distance of 6' while adhering to occupancy regulations and 6' social distancing is a requirement at all indoor or outdoor gatherings, and in some counties under threat of a citation even, yet for some unknown reason it is okay to sit on an airplane within 24"+ of another passenger for hours on end.

Furthermore, youth sports do not require tests.
Airports require airlines to maintain 6ft distancing at the gate, lounges, etc-- basically every second they can. Requiring it on the airplane it's self would be nearly impossible, so masks, deep cleaning every flight, delayed boarding, etc are making the best out of a less than ideal situation to try and keep airlines from going under.
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Originally Posted by jj1987 View Post
Airports require airlines to maintain 6ft distancing at the gate, lounges, etc-- basically every second they can. Requiring it on the airplane it's self would be nearly impossible, so masks, deep cleaning every flight, delayed boarding, etc are making the best out of a less than ideal situation to try and keep airlines from going under.
Yes but that exposes the entire fallacy. What's the point of pretending everyone has cooties while at the terminal or gate when as soon as you board the plane you are close enough that Gene Simmons could french kiss you from the next seat over just by turning his head?

So either it's bad enough that we CANNOT allow (ie, airlines barred from flying) people to be that close...or, it's a case of an egregious overreaction where putting people at the risk of contracting the Wuhan is only acceptable when the economic implications exceed the level of fear mongering.

And I'll state it again...I'm in agreement with you that I'm happy the football season was saved.
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Originally Posted by jj1987 View Post
Airports require airlines to maintain 6ft distancing at the gate, lounges, etc-- basically every second they can. Requiring it on the airplane it's self would be nearly impossible, so masks, deep cleaning every flight, delayed boarding, etc are making the best out of a less than ideal situation to try and keep airlines from going under.
I don't care about the gates and airports, although that only reinforces my point about how ludicrous the nonsense is.

"Impossible" you say... To me it sounds like selective enforcement for a particular industry.

None of what you say comes close to a rational explanation as to WHY IT IS OKAY TO SIT NEXT TO PEOPLE ON A PLANE WITHIN +/-24", SOMETIMES BETWEEN TWO PEOPLE FOR SOMEONE SITTING ON THE ISLE, FOR HOURS END; meanwhile other businesses and industries suffer.

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If planes are so safe why did the New England Patriots take 2 planes to Kansas City?
  • The New England Patriots are taking two planes to Kansas City to try to prevent an outbreak of COVID-19 within their locker room.
  • The decision came after the starting quarterback Cam Newton tested positive for COVID-19 on Saturday.
  • Players who had close contact with Newton in recent days will travel on one plane, while those who hadn't will travel on another
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Originally Posted by 2LBI View Post
If planes are so safe why did the New England Patriots take 2 planes to Kansas City?
  • The New England Patriots are taking two planes to Kansas City to try to prevent an outbreak of COVID-19 within their locker room.
  • The decision came after the starting quarterback Cam Newton tested positive for COVID-19 on Saturday.
  • Players who had close contact with Newton in recent days will travel on one plane, while those who hadn't will travel on another
My guess is that another plane is a rounding error in their budget, so it's worth it for a .3% chance to protect their multi million dollar a year employees.
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