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Old 01-15-2007, 11:10 AM
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Just brought my 06 accord to dealer. AC stopped blowing cold. They suspect it is the condenser being damaged from road debris. They have seen it before in other models. No warranty coverage if this is the case. I remember a thread about the honda minivan with this issue. The fellow fought honda on coverage but I am not sure of his outcome. If this is the case I will fix it and sell it Why would I keep a car that can be so easily damaged Honda, my loyalty is flying out the window
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While I understand your frustration, I wouldn't go saying your loyalty is flying out the window because of one, albeit costly and irritating ... issue.

Now, I don't own a Honda but I have many friends and family that do. I have heard nothing but good comments about them and many of these are cars have well over 100k miles on the odometer and they're the original owner. I am even considering one of the new Honda "truck" lines (Pilot).

Who knows, I guess I all I am saying is sure you are frustrated, but don't go running the other way because you hit a slight problem. Maybe you could put one of those mesh screens just in front of the condensor, behind the grille. Just a thought...
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Old 01-15-2007, 11:56 AM
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If an object did indeed go through the condenser you should be able to see this quite easily....look for damaged fins! If you are not seeing any damaged fins then the damage was not caused by flying object(s)!
Regardless of what brand of vehicle you buy the condenser is always the most leading item of the engine compartment. Therefore (let's say) a stone will damage a BMW's condenser just as fast as a Honda's condenser.
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They are easily damaged. If that is a problem for you, than maybe not the best choice.
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I know on all my vehicles I've used plastic tie straps to hold a piece of black nylon window screen just on the inside of the grill, but the SS screen can look good too! I've been doing this for bug protection but I guess it doubles as debris protection.
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Old 01-16-2007, 07:08 AM
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They are easily damaged. If that is a problem for you, than maybe not the best choice.
If they are that easily damaged then honda has a design flaw. This is not my first honda. I had a civic in 86 that I used for 6 years and never turned a wrench on. I have had 3 other accords that were fine. I have tried to search for the thread a guy posted about 6 months ago on his honda oddessey with this problem. I could not find it so if one of you tht gurus could get me the thread I would appreciate it.
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Old 01-16-2007, 07:47 AM
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Take a look at the Forums on the Edmunds.com site. There may be others who have had the same issue. My wife has an 02 CRV and her A/C was acting a little strange. I looked at the Forum and realized that there was an issue with the compressors and many had the same problem. Knowing this going in, the service dept did not hesitate replacing the entire system.

I drive on 06 Pilot, and while they are not as good as the 80's, they are still better than a lot of what is out there.
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Dealer says honda not willing to cover the problem. They discounted the repair to $463 bucks. I have contacted honda customer service and started the ball rolling. We shall see if they want to keep a long time customer satisfied. BTW, I want a solution to prevent this from occuring. Perhaps some type of bra with a mesh could do the trick.
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Old 01-24-2007, 08:43 PM
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Honda now has sunk to the level of american auto customer service. I have find numerous people with this problem. Beware, if you have a honda vehicle the is 2003 or newer you are at risk for this problem. In 2003 they changed the condenser to a less tough condenser that can have a pebble put a hole in it. They call it a road hazard, I call it BS. I have had over 10 different hondas over the last twenty years, this POS will be my last. Honda can shove it up their corporate azz
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Honda now has sunk to the level of american auto customer service. I have find numerous people with this problem. Beware, if you have a honda vehicle the is 2003 or newer you are at risk for this problem. In 2003 they changed the condenser to a less tough condenser that can have a pebble put a hole in it. They call it a road hazard, I call it BS. I have had over 10 different hondas over the last twenty years, this POS will be my last. Honda can shove it up their corporate azz
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Glad I read this! I have an 06' Honda Accord as well. It's my first Honda and I have been impressed with the performance (well except for gas mileage), ride, etc with ours. The dealer/buying experience was also really good. Let me know what you come up with to protect the condenser. I will try to think of something as well.

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Gmack - 1/24/2007 8:53 PM

Glad I read this! I have an 06' Honda Accord as well. It's my first Honda and I have been impressed with the performance (well except for gas mileage), ride, etc with ours. The dealer/buying experience was also really good. Let me know what you come up with to protect the condenser. I will try to think of something as well.

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We have an '06 Accord "SE" we purchased last June - it's been an EXCELLENT car!

"EPA Highway estimate" was "34" for the "2.4ltr." - I've seen over "36"!

Our's is getting close to the 10K mark and I will inquire about this the next time I carry it in for scheduled maintenance.

Thanks for the heads up!

Any way you could cut up an all-rubber floor mat - to the right size - and secure it in position with high temp ty-raps?

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I guess you didn't hear me the first time.........JUST USE A SCREEN!!!!!!!!!
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I guess you didn't hear me the first time.........JUST USE A SCREEN!!!!!!!!!
Maybe honda should be the one installing some type of protective cover to prevent such a problem. You are suggesting that the owners engineer a solution to honda's design flaw/ fragile condenser Do you work for them If your boat had a serious flaw that was prone to failure would you just ignore their responsibility. This issue is not just limited to one model but I have found this complaint on all their models since 2003. When people go purchase a honda no one expects a pebble can cost them some serious coin. Yes, I am researching a solution without making the car look like some punk is driving it, ie bling crap Honda built a excellent rep over the years but we all have seen how companies can lose quality control and start producing substandard products.
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iron banks - 1/25/2007 7:38 AM

This issue is not just limited to one model but I have found this complaint on all their models since 2003.

I'd like to see your research. Any websites with owner's statements, industry info, service records to back up this claim?




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Go to edmunds forum or google honda ac condenser damage. There are several suggestions by different people on how to mitigate this problem. Mr. Grille, cloud-rider.com. chicken wire, speaker screens, my point is honda should come up with the solution, not after market venues.
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"I have had over 10 different hondas over the last twenty years, this POS will be my last"


If you owned 10 Yamaha OB's over 20 years, would you bash Yamaha over 1 declined warranty claim ?

Honda's have been good to you for 20 years ! No question they overlook this design but not buy another one ?

Install some screen to protect your $463.00 repair.

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Iron Banks,

"I have had over 10 different hondas over the last twenty years, this POS will be my last"


If you owned 10 Yamaha OB's over 20 years, would you bash Yamaha over 1 declined warranty claim ?

Honda's have been good to you for 20 years ! No question they overlook this design but not buy another one ?

Install some screen to protect your $463.00 repair.
Let me add the vehicle pulled hard to the right 2 days after delivery. Transmission shifts harder than I remember my other accords. My concern is that honda has lost some quality control. If the car was out of warranty or high miles no problems. I will answer your question with yamaha. If I had a 250 hpdi grenade several times after owning many yamahas and they handled it in denial that there was a design flaw then you bet I would leave them for another. I am upset with honda stickng their head in the sand and trying to ignore this issue. After enough people have this issue they will be forced to deal with it
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I guess you didn't hear me the first time.........JUST USE A SCREEN!!!!!!!!!
Maybe honda should be the one installing some type of protective cover to prevent such a problem. You are suggesting that the owners engineer a solution to honda's design flaw/ fragile condenser Do you work for them If your boat had a serious flaw that was prone to failure would you just ignore their responsibility. This issue is not just limited to one model but I have found this complaint on all their models since 2003. When people go purchase a honda no one expects a pebble can cost them some serious coin. Yes, I am researching a solution without making the car look like some punk is driving it, ie bling crap Honda built a excellent rep over the years but we all have seen how companies can lose quality control and start producing substandard products.
With soon to be fifty two years of age I’d like to think I have looong passed the stage of being a punk that wants to be driving bling crap! Put the black nylon or the SS screen on and stand back and admire your ingenuity and good taste!

Where is this world you live in that everything is perfect, I’d like to know so I can live there too?
You see the problem of stones damaging your car’s condenser as a problem that an engineer needs to resolve/ solve, I see it as a simple fix that I can do while eating lunch!

Ok so Honda lightened up on the material of their condensers, it’s not like we see any manufacturer’s reverting back to the days of building tanks, that’s just evolution in my opinion. $463.00 for the repair, rightly so I wouldn’t be happy either, but I’d be a fool to let it happen twice now wouldn’t I?

Is it a design flaw on the manufacture’s part to allow a windshield to crack from a stone flung up on the highway? I know up here that replacement is about $400 a pop! I put two in the 98 Accord. And the last one that was changed out had about 8-9 chips and a crack in it! Your condenser and my windshields sure says to me that I don’t want to be driving a motorcycle without a full face helmet on without the face guard!
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BW23 - 1/25/2007 10:23 AM

Iron Banks,

"I have had over 10 different hondas over the last twenty years, this POS will be my last"


If you owned 10 Yamaha OB's over 20 years, would you bash Yamaha over 1 declined warranty claim ?

Honda's have been good to you for 20 years ! No question they overlook this design but not buy another one ?

Install some screen to protect your $463.00 repair.
I think you miss the point......
This is not an isolated incident, and Honda is probably aware of it. The comparison to Yamaha is not valid, either. They recognized that there was a problem with the big-block HPDI's and addressed it, after having it brought to their attention by the consumers. Honda should take a page from that book.
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