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Old 10-02-2020, 07:29 AM
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Default Who's gonna win this battle of wits? School/student/town

Local HS doesn't have enough parking to accommodate all students who are of driving age. It's located in a residential area where street side parking is legal within a few blocks of the school. Town has indicated that will not change, and that they are unwilling to pass an ordinance regarding parking specific to students. They will enforce blocking driveways/mailboxes/etc, but not general otherwise legal, parking. School trying to say that they will not allow students to park legally and walk a few blocks to school for safety reasons, while simultaneously saying students who live in those neighborhoods are too close to ride the bus, and must walk or provide their own transportation. Pretty dumb stance for the school...even dumber for them to care. What says THT. Basically comes down to can the school dictate what completely legal activities its students can do when not on their campus or during the school day.

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Old 10-02-2020, 07:33 AM
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The school has no control on how students get to the facility.
Old 10-02-2020, 07:39 AM
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Driving to school & parking there is a perk, not a right. My high school issued a parking permit that you applied for. Didn't get a permit before they ran out? Tough luck, It's on you.
Old 10-02-2020, 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by 47Fountain View Post
Driving to school & parking there is a perk, not a right. My high school issued a parking permit that you applied for. Didn't get a permit before they ran out? Tough luck, It's on you.
That's not the question at all. The question is, does the school have any control on perfectly legal actions of students that take place off their clock, and off their campus? The action of walking from off campus to on campus is already allowed, and the school has no jurisdiction regarding parking outside of their property.
Old 10-02-2020, 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by autobaun70 View Post
That's not the question at all. The question is, does the school have any control on perfectly legal actions of students that take place off their clock, and off their campus? The action of walking from off campus to on campus is already allowed, and the school has no jurisdiction regarding parking outside of their property.
My view exactly. What are they going to do? Have faculty checking ID's at the entrance to be sure you are a walking student?
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Umm... It's South Carolina, did you expect that logic and/or common sense would be applied to this? My question would be "Which administrator, or which administrator's comrade, or mayor, or school board member, resides in nearby neighborhood?"

You must be new to SC. This policy does not need to follow the letter of the law - c'mon! That's how we roll here.
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Umm... It's South Carolina, did you expect that logic and/or common sense would be applied to this? My question would be "Which administrator, or which administrator's comrade, or mayor, or school board member, resides in nearby neighborhood?"

You must be new to SC. This policy does not need to follow the letter of the law - c'mon! That's how we roll here.
That's the part I don't get. Nearby neighborhood is largely a mill hill. Residents there don't seem to GAF. Admins don't live anywhere close to the impacted school for the most part...not a high class enough area to pique their interests.
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I went to private school that didn’t have enough on campus parking. Overflow was forced to park in a residential neighborhood. We were not permitted by the schools handbook to park I front of houses. There was a large park we would park around but just meant a longer walk. The agreement between the school and neighbors kept the peace. That said when you go to private school you have to play by their rules like it or not. Not sure what a public school can get away with.
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I don't see how a school can dictate how kids arrive to school....kids old enough to drive, but the school is too scared to allow them to walk a few blocks. Likely parking is within eyesight of the school. Wow...how embarrassing of a stance for the school, some teenagers cannot walk 400 or 600 or a 1000 feet. Cant allow kids to get a tiny bit of healthy walking in eh?

As for parking on peoples lawns...that's another issue, for a dozen or so years I lived literally right across the street from a school. Sometimes during events the parking lot would fill up, so overflow went on the sides of the main street...onto the strip of lawn on the outside (streetside) of the stone wall. As long as people didn't litter I didn't mind. School events are good IMO..so, the couple of nights a year they parked on my front strip of lawn...didn't bother me so long as trash was contained.

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not sure but the OP won't win a spelling bee....
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I would say no the school doesn't have the authority to enforce or say students can't park and walk. It would be no difference than if the student walked form home or parked at walmart and walked. Legal parking is legal parking as defined by the town laws. That being said I learned a long time ago (at least in our school district) that school property in not limited to the specific land the campus sits on. Prime example was the house 2 down from mine was a designated bus stop for the school. We saw first hand were kids got in trouble by the school for something that happened in my neighbors drive way. The school and school board determined that as a designated bus stop it was an extension of school property (even though it was someone's driveway) till that bus delivered the kids to school and so again after school till the kids were returned.

So it's possible the school is considering that side of the street "School Property". Of course this is guessing.
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Originally Posted by autobaun70 View Post
That's the part I don't get. Nearby neighborhood is largely a mill hill. Residents there don't seem to GAF. Admins don't live anywhere close to the impacted school for the most part...not a high class enough area to pique their interests.
Looks like a CYA move by the school then. If something bad ever happened in the hood - the school could then reference the handbook policy and say "we told them not to park there."

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All I know is this; "Why is anyone asking for permission?". Just park there, keep it to yourself, and move on with life.
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Originally Posted by YeOldeStonecat View Post
I don't see how a school can dictate how kids arrive to school....kids old enough to drive, but the school is too scared to allow them to walk a few blocks. Likely parking is within eyesight of the school. Wow...how embarrassing of a stance for the school, some teenagers cannot walk 400 or 600 or a 1000 feet. Cant allow kids to get a tiny bit of healthy walking in eh?

As for parking on peoples lawns...that's another issue, for a dozen or so years I lived literally right across the street from a school. Sometimes during events the parking lot would fill up, so overflow went on the sides of the main street...onto the strip of lawn on the outside (streetside) of the stone wall. As long as people didn't litter I didn't mind. School events are good IMO..so, the couple of nights a year they parked on my front strip of lawn...didn't bother me so long as trash was contained.
Streets in play are curbed, no yard parking issues. Trash is a potential issue, but not something that's really come up.

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I would say no the school doesn't have the authority to enforce or say students can't park and walk. It would be no difference than if the student walked form home or parked at walmart and walked. Legal parking is legal parking as defined by the town laws. That being said I learned a long time ago (at least in our school district) that school property in not limited to the specific land the campus sits on. Prime example was the house 2 down from mine was a designated bus stop for the school. We saw first hand were kids got in trouble by the school for something that happened in my neighbors drive way. The school and school board determined that as a designated bus stop it was an extension of school property (even though it was someone's driveway) till that bus delivered the kids to school and so again after school till the kids were returned.

So it's possible the school is considering that side of the street "School Property". Of course this is guessing.
Streets involved are not adjoining to, or in view of the school. From the front door of the school you have to take a right and go down one block to the start of the streets in play. They are on both sides of that road and go back a few blocks in each direction.
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Originally Posted by eman6501 View Post
All I know is this; "Why is anyone asking for permission?". Just park there, keep it to yourself, and move on with life.
When the school realized they would not have enough parking, they took it to themselves to make a social media announcement that parking off campus and walking could be met with disciplinary action. Really silly part is that despite currently being on a hybrid schedule, parking privileges are not being extended to the kids that got left out of the mix, despite only ~1/2 of the spots on campus being used each day at this time. Granted that's going to change (hopefully soon) when school shifts to 5 days per week.
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Had the same issue at my high school in 1999. No parking within about 2 blocks of the school. The school turned a blind eye because 2 years earlier they banned guns on school property (major issues, bad press, back lash, etc. etc.). About half the school were famers who all drove pick ups. Eventually you had 6-10 kids parking 2 blocks away and then jumping in the back of trucks coming to get dropped off (which was legal back then who knows now). After about 3 weeks there was a minor fender bender in the school parking lot. There were like 13 kids involved between the two trucks. Very, minor injuries. It took about one week for the School suddenly stressed the importance of car pulling and identify and pave 40 more spots. This worked til about the last few months of school, as you are always adding more drivers coming to school as the year goes on. The next summer the tennis courts were bull dozed and moved to a nearby park. This turned into a money maker as they charged the public to use those courts.

I would urge the school to find a solution.
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Depending on State; it's County/Municipal Zoning Laws and/or Ordinances that dictate street parking laws. Also depends on ownership of street being city/state/county maintained street. Plus they need a means of enforcement dicateted in the Law/Ordinance.

To answer your question - school can't enforce D!ck.
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they have no jurisdiction on parking in the street! if they act on it, a simple letter from an attorney will shut them up!

i agree it was probably a CYA, however poorly written CYA
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Originally Posted by lazyboi1212 View Post
Depending on State; it's County/Municipal Zoning Laws and/or Ordinances that dictate street parking laws. Also depends on ownership of street being city/state/county maintained street. Plus they need a means of enforcement dicateted in the Law/Ordinance.

To answer your question - school can't enforce D!ck.
Pretty certain these are county owned streets, under traffic jurisdiction of the city.

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