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Old 09-21-2020, 11:42 AM
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Iíve always been against me personally riding street bikes. Recently though Iíve been strongly considering it. So much so that Iíve started looking for one.

Iím 43 so I donít want a grandpa style cruiser but something more tough and I guess dare say manly. I am a complete newb as far as motorcycles go. Iíve driven all types of ATVs, UTVís. Itís been probably 25 years since I even sat on a motorcycle.

Whatís a good starter for a cruiser. Something fairly inexpensive but stylish. Iíve almost set my heart on the Indian Scout Bobber. Thereís a used one in my neck of the woods for $9000 with 2500 miles. New they run about $13-14000. Not really looking for someone elseís used pile of junk either.
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Old 09-21-2020, 12:01 PM
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take a rider course first to see if you even like riding. after that depending on your comfort and ability to control your throttle etc the scout would not be a bad starter. only thing I would say is I generally tell every new rider, you will drop that bike. might be slow speed and low damage but you will almost certainly drop it.

do you have someone to ride with who can help you hone your skills after you get qualified to ride in a parking lot?
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A lot of people will recommend "get a cheap bike first...put a year on it....you'll drop it during your first year..."
That's up to you and your budget.

So..asking "What bike should I get" is a lot like asking "What car should I get?" First...I don't know what you like, for a style. Second...I don't know your physical traits....you tall? Short? Really short? Really tall? Heavy?
Will you be riding 2-up? Or solo?
Do you like fast? Or slow?
Quiet? Loud?
I see you mention "cruiser"..and an Indian...so I can assume you lean towards a traditional v-twin style cruiser.

My history is with Harleys...used to get older ones, rebuild 'em, ride 'em while rebuilding and completing...sell, and go find another project. My wife rode too.
Harleys...generally a couple of different categories they make..well, made...I know it's a trimmed down product line in the last couple of years.
*Dyna...their sorta mid size line up, traditional look. "FX" models.
*Cruiser..."bagger".... Windshield, hard bags "FL" models.
*Softail...a more laid back bike, lower chassis, seat a bit lower, legs a bit more forward...sorta like going down the road in a lazy boy recliner "FXS" or "FLS" models...depending on front end.
*Sportster...the smaller one

I'll skip the Street and VRod models as...well, they're not traditional Harley models...sorta outsider bikes.


I recommend you sit and ride each of the types. See what feels most comfortable to you...your size..and your riding style.
3x things that you can adjust per rider.
*Seat
*Bars
*Foot controls. You can keep mid controls, or have forward controls, or extended forward controls.

IMO, Softail models easiest and most laid back to ride. Very low center of gravity. Oddly enough, Sportsters have quite a high center of gravity. My wifes Sporty was...heavier up top, to balance, than any of the Harleys I had (and I had all 3 of the other types). She loved driving my Softail Springer the best of all...better than hers.

I prefer older Harleys..with carbs, not fuel injection. Also I'm a purist...no windshield...no radio, no heater, no fly by wire, no infodainment system....if I want those I'll take my truck.

Take the safety course.
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Originally Posted by YeOldeStonecat View Post
A lot of people will recommend "get a cheap bike first...put a year on it....you'll drop it during your first year..."
That's up to you and your budget.

So..asking "What bike should I get" is a lot like asking "What car should I get?" First...I don't know what you like, for a style. Second...I don't know your physical traits....you tall? Short? Really short? Really tall? Heavy?
Will you be riding 2-up? Or solo?
Do you like fast? Or slow?
Quiet? Loud?
I see you mention "cruiser"..and an Indian...so I can assume you lean towards a traditional v-twin style cruiser.

My history is with Harleys...used to get older ones, rebuild 'em, ride 'em while rebuilding and completing...sell, and go find another project. My wife rode too.
Harleys...generally a couple of different categories they make..well, made...I know it's a trimmed down product line in the last couple of years.
*Dyna...their sorta mid size line up, traditional look. "FX" models.
*Cruiser..."bagger".... Windshield, hard bags "FL" models.
*Softail...a more laid back bike, lower chassis, seat a bit lower, legs a bit more forward...sorta like going down the road in a lazy boy recliner "FXS" or "FLS" models...depending on front end.
*Sportster...the smaller one

I'll skip the Street and VRod models as...well, they're not traditional Harley models...sorta outsider bikes.


I recommend you sit and ride each of the types. See what feels most comfortable to you...your size..and your riding style.
3x things that you can adjust per rider.
*Seat
*Bars
*Foot controls. You can keep mid controls, or have forward controls, or extended forward controls.

IMO, Softail models easiest and most laid back to ride. Very low center of gravity. Oddly enough, Sportsters have quite a high center of gravity. My wifes Sporty was...heavier up top, to balance, than any of the Harleys I had (and I had all 3 of the other types). She loved driving my Softail Springer the best of all...better than hers.

I prefer older Harleys..with carbs, not fuel injection. Also I'm a purist...no windshield...no radio, no heater, no fly by wire, no infodainment system....if I want those I'll take my truck.

Take the safety course.
I with you, I love riding (more locally) my 52 panhead. My 82 shovelhead also bring s me back in time. I do have a 2009 CVO Springer and the bike I take when the wife joins me on longer trips is my 18 Road Glide special.


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Something to consider, as you decide on how big & comfortable you want to go, as mentioned above their is a real good chance you are going to drop it, can you pick it up when alone?
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I started about six years ago with a Yamaha Zuma, Midnight black, its pretty tough. Never felt i needed to ride bigger. Wife got me a black leather tassled jacket for fall riding.
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My .02.......
Everybody and their brother has Harley and from 20' away, 98% of them look the same.
I would suggest something like the BMW R1250RT.
BMW makes an awesome motorcycle with lots of safety features and creature comforts, too.
The shaft drive is silky smooth and they have lots of power too. Or if you want something a bit more stylish, they have the K1600 Bagger and the new R18. Good luck!
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Sold mine this spring. I'm done with motorcycles, too many close calls to mention. But the deciding factor came last fall, when my girlfriend and I riding and a guy in a truck turned right in front of us and I had to slam the brakes to keep from hitting him. Only thing that saved us was the speed limit was only 25, if it had been 35 or higher we would have hit. My girlfriend was not that big on motorcycles (she had never been on one before me) and after that she was not going to ride anymore. My son never wants to ride anymore so I sold it.
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Originally Posted by 21ft cuddy View Post
Something to consider, as you decide on how big & comfortable you want to go, as mentioned above their is a real good chance you are going to drop it, can you pick it up when alone?
John
Iím 5í11 250 and work out 5 days a week. I can pick it up 😂
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Originally Posted by YeOldeStonecat View Post
A lot of people will recommend "get a cheap bike first...put a year on it....you'll drop it during your first year..."
That's up to you and your budget.

So..asking "What bike should I get" is a lot like asking "What car should I get?" First...I don't know what you like, for a style. Second...I don't know your physical traits....you tall? Short? Really short? Really tall? Heavy?
Will you be riding 2-up? Or solo?
Do you like fast? Or slow?
Quiet? Loud?
I see you mention "cruiser"..and an Indian...so I can assume you lean towards a traditional v-twin style cruiser.

My history is with Harleys...used to get older ones, rebuild 'em, ride 'em while rebuilding and completing...sell, and go find another project. My wife rode too.
Harleys...generally a couple of different categories they make..well, made...I know it's a trimmed down product line in the last couple of years.
*Dyna...their sorta mid size line up, traditional look. "FX" models.
*Cruiser..."bagger".... Windshield, hard bags "FL" models.
*Softail...a more laid back bike, lower chassis, seat a bit lower, legs a bit more forward...sorta like going down the road in a lazy boy recliner "FXS" or "FLS" models...depending on front end.
*Sportster...the smaller one

I'll skip the Street and VRod models as...well, they're not traditional Harley models...sorta outsider bikes.


I recommend you sit and ride each of the types. See what feels most comfortable to you...your size..and your riding style.
3x things that you can adjust per rider.
*Seat
*Bars
*Foot controls. You can keep mid controls, or have forward controls, or extended forward controls.

IMO, Softail models easiest and most laid back to ride. Very low center of gravity. Oddly enough, Sportsters have quite a high center of gravity. My wifes Sporty was...heavier up top, to balance, than any of the Harleys I had (and I had all 3 of the other types). She loved driving my Softail Springer the best of all...better than hers.

I prefer older Harleys..with carbs, not fuel injection. Also I'm a purist...no windshield...no radio, no heater, no fly by wire, no infodainment system....if I want those I'll take my truck.

Take the safety course.
these are the types of things I wanted to hear. I donít want to make a $10,000 mistake. Or wished I spent more.

im usually a pretty impulsive buyer and now Iím trying to be smarter with my money. TRYING

The safety course I believe is mandatory in Florida. I believe itís a pretty hefty ticket not having that endorsement if caught
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Sold mine this spring. I'm done with motorcycles, too many close calls to mention. But the deciding factor came last fall, when my girlfriend and I riding and a guy in a truck turned right in front of us and I had to slam the brakes to keep from hitting him. Only thing that saved us was the speed limit was only 25, if it had been 35 or higher we would have hit. My girlfriend was not that big on motorcycles (she had never been on one before me) and after that she was not going to ride anymore. My son never wants to ride anymore so I sold it.
I saw a bad accident in front of our shop a few years ago. A van pulled out in front of a guy on a motorcycle. Bike never even had time to hit the brakes. Probably was going 45-50 mph. He didnít make it. I watched the whole thing happen. Guy in the van didnít even look his direction when he pulled out
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Honda vtx 1300 or 1800, cheap, reliable, don't have to fix it, good way to get back into riding....nothing cheap ar easy about HD btw, owned a bunch of them...older BMW R series should be considered also
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best way to find the one you want is to shop around and sit on them. don't just go look. actually go and sit on the bike, stand it up, does it feel comfortable. do you like where the pegs are.

I just helped a friend couple of ours get on bikes. they did the rider course then wanted bikes. she wanted nothing other than HD. given her size it was an easy choice of an 883.
he on the other hand is 6'5 and 275 maybe more. took him shopping to every brand of bike. in the end he was sitting on my '09 superglide in my garage one night and asked why none of the bikes he sat on felt that comfortable. the superglide had some suspension work and fwd controls etc.

he wound up making an offer on my bike and I thought it would be fun to have someone riding it regularly.

point is, you never know which bike is going to pick you. I started out taking him to a ducati shop, as he had pics of one as his dream bike. 5 minutes there and he was ready to leave. he didn't like them at all. if it wasn't for all the electronics they have added to those, I may have left with another toy. LOL

I would add, I totally agree with yeoldestonecat for me and for him, for a new rider FI may be a lot easier to deal with. no choke, no fuel reserve etc.
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Originally Posted by jon in florida View Post
I with you, I love riding (more locally) my 52 panhead. My 82 shovelhead also bring s me back in time. I do have a 2009 CVO Springer and the bike I take when the wife joins me on longer trips is my 18 Road Glide special.

I love that!!! beautiful ride
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Originally Posted by simeoncoleman View Post
Iím 5í11 250 and work out 5 days a week. I can pick it up 😂
I hear what you're saying, but when I lowsided my Ducati on the Tobin bridge, I needed help getting the bike off me. And that's a 347lb bike, which is a hell of a lot less than a full dresser.

Remember that if the bike falls on you, you have to get out from underneath a bike before you can lift it up. Once you're out, your ability to pick it up is more about technique than strength. On mine, I scrunched down with my butt between the ground and the seat, right hand gripping the front brake and left hand grabbing the passenger seat grip, and then straightening my legs to lever the bike up.
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I hear what you're saying, but when I lowsided my Ducati on the Tobin bridge, I needed help getting the bike off me. And that's a 347lb bike, which is a hell of a lot less than a full dresser.
Should have high sided it. That's what I did with my Road King nd it threw me 15-20 feet away.
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Im 5'10", 220lbs, dont work out and can pick the back of mine clean off the ground with my right arm.
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Originally Posted by simeoncoleman View Post
these are the types of things I wanted to hear. I donít want to make a $10,000 mistake. Or wished I spent more.

im usually a pretty impulsive buyer and now Iím trying to be smarter with my money. TRYING

The safety course I believe is mandatory in Florida. I believe itís a pretty hefty ticket not having that endorsement if caught
All I can say is "look"...and "look"...and "look". Look online. Look at the biker watering holes. Listen to the bikes. Any bike meets around...go to them.
I'm partial to Harleys ...so join a Harley forum...HDForum is popular. Seeing you like Indians too...join one of their forums.

As you'll start noticing, even the same "models" within the Harley family can look very different as you see different ones. But just focus on the major "chassis types" that I listed above..and go from there.
I realize I did an 'oops" in the Softail versions...not FLS or FXS...but FLST or FXST...they added an ST to the back of the type of fork that was in front...an FX fork or FL fork. FL fork being the larger duoglide type on the bagger models. FX being the...usual front forks. Unless you had the FXSTS...which I had...was a Springer.

Just look at the major model types...see which one draws you in the most. And then look at how some people customize 'em...and focus on that.

Learn the different engine types. Like...Harley had the Shovelheads in the 70's and early 80's....and the Evos in the later 80's and into the 90's...and then the TwinCam (Twinkie) in the 2000's...and then the M8 (blockheads)...which are current.
I only liked the Evo's an Shovels (well, loved earlier ones but didn't have the privilege of owning those in my stable). I prefer the simplicity of the carb'd engines, the true Harley idle, I wrench my own. Had a Twinkie too...but it didn't catch my heart.

As for "looks"....I simplified the bikes I had, and went more for a touch of the classic older "David Mann Chopper look". That's what made me smile.


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Originally Posted by jon in florida View Post
I with you, I love riding (more locally) my 52 panhead. My 82 shovelhead
Those are 2x gorgeous bikes.

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