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Old 09-15-2020, 09:08 AM
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Put a deposit down on a pup a month ago, and the breeder want full payment 2 weeks before I pick up the dog. I was expecting to pay for dog when I picked it up. I offered to pay cash, certified check, credit card upon meeting pup and parents, this seems to be a problem with the breeder. Is this the norm with breeders.
Old 09-15-2020, 09:15 AM
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All depends on the price of the dog and the demand associated with it given the lineage.

For my current dog, I put $800 down. Paid the rest in cash when I arrived. I was personally known and recommended by the sire owner or I never would’ve even had a chance to get the dog.
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doesn't sound good.

We just got a new puppy and paid a $200 deposit and then the balance when we picked up to take home. We had already chosen the puppy via video calls too.

Do you have previous owners you can ask? references. we might have paid a bit more but were really picky about breeder. we chased down several previous owners.
Old 09-15-2020, 09:19 AM
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My wife breeds and that is kinda normal. The wife gets a $500.00 deposit to be on the waiting list. First deposit in gets first pick of the pups. Then full payment in time to clear the bank before pickup. She will take cash at pickup. She has 7 going to their permanent homes in 3 weeks and at least 3 more pups being born in October. All of those have been reserved for a couple of months. She sends pictures every week until they go home. Dog business is booming with everyone home from Covid.
Enjoy the new family member.
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I’ve been on both sides on process with my Boykins:

Buying, we paid 25-50% deposit via Venmo or check to breeder after we picked out puppy & paid balance via Venmo when we picked her up.

Selling, we accepted $250 deposit (25%) via check, Venmo, or PayPal, with balance due at pick up. Cash or Venmo payment at pick up for most buyers & local check from people we know.

You haven’t mentioned the breed, but I do know there are some scams out there on French Bulldogs & others, as they are in high demand (don’t ask me why).
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The breeder was very nice until the issue of payment. The pup is over $2000.00 have already put down $500. Seems to me I should be able to meet dog and parent before I shell out that kind of money.
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The breeder I got our dog from required half up front and remainder of balance on pick up, with a refund of deposit if we weren't happy when we picked the dog up(it was an 8 hour round trip). I felt like that was reasonable considering I didn't think I would ever pay $800 bucks and drive 8 hours to buy a dog. The breeder was also very straight forward, the dog we originally picked out had a hip problem that she disclosed 2 weeks before pick up that her Vet said would be cleared up by then but hadn't. She didn't feel right about selling that pup so we had to pick out another, but it all worked out because we couldn't have asked for a better dog for our family he was a perfect fit. He died 3 years ago now and the wife still tears up about him on occasion, but wouldn't have had it any other way he was a great dog.
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Originally Posted by B.matt View Post
The breeder was very nice until the issue of payment. The pup is over $2000.00 have already put down $500. Seems to me I should be able to meet dog and parent before I shell out that kind of money.
Why can't the breeder take cash on day of pickup? Seems odd
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doesn't sound good.

We just got a new puppy and paid a $200 deposit and then the balance when we picked up to take home. We had already chosen the puppy via video calls too.

Do you have previous owners you can ask? references. we might have paid a bit more but were really picky about breeder. we chased down several previous owners.
rescue/adoption operations charge more than that
Old 09-15-2020, 10:18 AM
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I wouldn't play that game. What don't they want you to see till they have all your money? Do their dogs go meow? Or moo? Or baaa?
What do you see when you Google their address? Look at the county website, who owns that property?
Do they actually have pups raised in humane conditions?
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The breeder is trying to avoid having you meet the pup and walk (losing your deposit) and then the breeder needing to sell a puppy that is past prime adoption age. Makes sense to me.
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I'm ready to start a class action lawsuit against the AKC, this breeding rights garbage has caused more problems that it was meant to protect.
It's turned breeders into puppy mills, breeding the same dogs over and over mixing in a different male/female ever so often.
I can't tell you how many pure bred dogs owners I've met that spend more on their pets vet bills per month than they do on their own Dr. visits.
When did they start all this you can have a AKC dog with with limited papers and no papers breeding rights?
I've even seen some contracts where you have to agree to have the dog fixed or neutered.

Do I have a case?
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Picked up our new vizsla pup a week ago. $250 deposit. Cash at delivery.

Unless super high demand for breed seems odd.
Actually if it is super high demand the breeder should have a list of people waiting and have it gone in a day.

Any recommendations on line?

We had a breeder that wanted a small deposit and then at delivery if we did not pick a pup she would refund deposit as she had buyers waiting for the pups. The only reason we did not go with her is we found a pup closer (only 6 hours away) That was highly respected.
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Sounds l like a scam to me.

Can't visit pups parents before paying
Don't know if the breeder is actually a breeder since you can pick it up
Can't see the pup in person

RUN!
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Generally speaking the deposit is nonrefundable if you just change your mind. If there are not enough puppies for the number of deposits taken or if a color preference or gender is specified and it is not available the deposit will be refunded. The breeder will know at birth that there is not a pup to fill that desire and will refund the deposit and still have 8 weeks to market the pup to a new home. Waiting until pickup to change your mind is not fair to the puppy that should be bonding with it's family.
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No case if you signed the contract.
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Originally Posted by B.matt View Post
..[...] Seems to me I should be able to meet dog and parent before I shell out that kind of money.
The kennel I got my dog from would only allow certain visitors to the kennel. This kept the pups from being exposed to crap that people might bring in unknowingly. There was a core group of people that socialized the dogs. She picked the dog for me. No "pick of the litter stuff" and she picked the absolute perfect dog for us. Remember, the breeder has been (or should be) watching these dogs since day one. They see the personality develop and based upon what you are looking for, will identify the correct dog.

When you are talking about a litter that is worth thousands of dollars to the breeder you should expect them to be protective. I have learned this is much like the race horse world in some cases.

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I'm ready to start a class action lawsuit against the AKC, this breeding rights garbage has caused more problems that it was meant to protect.
It's turned breeders into puppy mills, breeding the same dogs over and over mixing in a different male/female ever so often.
I can't tell you how many pure bred dogs owners I've met that spend more on their pets vet bills per month than they do on their own Dr. visits.
When did they start all this you can have a AKC dog with with limited papers and no papers breeding rights?
I've even seen some contracts where you have to agree to have the dog fixed or neutered.

Do I have a case?
When I was looking for my first Dogo Argentino, there was a breeder close to me that it would even go as far as drawing a contract where you would have to ask him permission to breed your dog and he would have to approve the mate.
Same if you wanted to spay or neuter...
It was nuts, especially considering he wanted 10k for a dog. It used to cost between 1k and 2k to have a dogo argentino sent from the breeder that invented the breed in Argentina.
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The breeder finally agreed upon cash on pick up. We are flying cross country to pick up dog. They originally agreed on meet the dogs on wed when we arrive and pick up Saturday. They decided it was unsafe for them to have us there without payment first, so no meet the pups when we get there. The breeder seems very legit the parents are very well vetted, and they have a nice web page showing the pups. I was just wondering if payment before receiving was normal.

Thanks for all the help
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RUN Fast as you can away from this scam

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