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Old 09-01-2020, 06:26 PM
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Question regarding undoing a naval reserve enlistment. Is it possible? Know some who signed up, took oath, medical, etc....Now wants to "get out" of contract....Basic has been pushed back to possibly up to 1 year.....So, he wants to get out his contact to join not just for that but a couple of other reasons......Recruiter has no knowledge of it yet but he has requested 3 meetings with him and recruiter has cancelled all 3 appointments. I haven't read the contract and he's a millenial so they think Google is the answer or the contract meant nothing....

Curious if it would be a "discharge" if he was able to undo and if so what might be future problems with such? TIA!
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Recruiter isn't going to help him out if his contract, his job is to do the opposite. There are ways...does his contract stipulate a no-later-than date to attend basic? If his basic is pushed beyond that date, it's a violation of the contract. Try a google search on the subject. Also, "failure to adapt" is a real thing.
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Don’t know the steps but I am sure you can.
They make you swear in again once you get there , what could they do if he just didn’t go?
When I was in basic training we had a guy “quit”. They kept telling him he couldn’t and he took an oath and signed a contract. He stuck to it and got out. Took about 3 weeks , of which the DS made his life hell.
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I can’t honestly provide any feedback here that will seem helpful. if he quits this, no matter the reason, he will quit anything when the going gets tough. Is the enlistment for life? No! Is honor for life? Guess it all depends on the individual.

Sucks to have started on such bad footing and not have encouraging support to do the honorable thing.

Damn, I’ve turned into my father!!! If only I could be half the man he was. And I’m a former Marine??

yeah, he should fulfill his commitment. Not the Recruiter’s, the US Navy’s or anyone else’s fault the young man has changed his mind. That’s just we do at 18-25.
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Some pretty bad recommendations here: failure to adapt and smoke pot?! He will get a dd214 that will follow him for the rest of his life, and anything other than an “honorable” discharge will close many many doors for him.

lawyer up is his only hope, otherwise he better serve his contract honorably.
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You can get out of it but this is one of those pivotal life moments that will be looked upon for the rest of his days by himself.

Many men have regrets about not ever serving but few ever regret their time in uniform. This could be the start of a bad path.

Changed my mind about giving advice on how to get out.

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Some pretty bad recommendations here: failure to adapt and smoke pot?! He will get a dd214 that will follow him for the rest of his life, and anything other than an “honorable” discharge will close many many doors for him.

lawyer up is his only hope, otherwise he better serve his contract honorably.

Delayed entry will not get a DD214 in my experience but the lawyer advice is wise to be positive. Look up a lawyer that specializes in military case. Search outside of large bases even out of state.
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I was in the Naval Reserve - don't remember having any chance to "opt out" after being sworn in? What are the " ... couple of other reasons ... "??? Is it the basic being pushed back for a year (for COVID?)? Is it, "Huh, I made a bad decision and want out."? Does he not feel SOME obligation to serve, as he swore he would do? I think we need a little more info on the "why's".

Not sure how it may (may not) affect his discharge - "Unfit", "Undesirable", etc.. Anything other than an "Honorable" will certainly come back to haunt him! If he's truly "in", I would think he would HAVE TO get some sort of "discharge" designation to legally get him out?

How long ago did he sign up? Was the COVID around when he did and didn't he think that may affect his date going to Basic?

Good luck - I'll be following this out of curiosity.

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A note from a podiatrist stating that he has bone spurs should do the trick.
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Why does he not want to do his part after signing the contract? Scary? Too early out of bed? Too much work?
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Integrity matters. If he wants to become a man he can be proud to be then he’s got to honor his commitments. Being a quitter and going back on a signed contract are things he can never take back. I did my time while others did not. To this day I feel as though my choice was the correct one.
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For all of those telling him to stick it out question for you. If you sign employment contract with a new employer and they tell you your start date has been pushed back by a year are you going to stick around?
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as said above, you actually swear in once you get there. the initial oath is just to make you feel like you have to go.
recruiter has cancelled meetings because he is hoping he will change his mind and decide to go.

if you know this person I would tell them, they will be giving up on an opportunity of a lifetime. he should stick it out, if it is the time he has to wait before going, tell him to use that time to get in shape. he should be able to attend weekend drills even though he hasn't formally enlisted yet. just won't get paid. if it is the loss of pay for a year, he should know it isn't that much money.

if he wants out they will let him out

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as said above, you actually swear in once you get there. the initial oath is just to make you feel like you have to go.
recruiter has cancelled meetings because he is hoping he will change his mind and decide to go.

if you know this person I would tell them, they will be giving up on an opportunity of a lifetime. he should stick it out, if it is the time he has to wait before going, tell him to use that time to get in shape. he should be able to attend weekend drills even though he hasn't formally enlisted yet. just won't get paid. if it is the loss of pay for a year, he should know it isn't that much money.

if he wants out they will let him out
I’ve been in the Navy Reserve for 22 years and this is the best advice in this thread. The real oath of enlistment comes right before you ship out to boot camp. Even then it’s pretty easy to get out, especially as a Reservist. You would request transfer to something called the Individual Ready Reserve (IRR), which means you are technically still in and could be activated if WWIII happens, but you don’t drill and merely have to let them know you’re alive once per year.
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Too much time between signing the contract and shipping out, probably a huge problem for the recruiters now as enlistees have a lot of time to second guess themselves. I was 43 days between signing and shipping out, it was perfect for me.

When I attended basic/AIT at Ft Benning, 1990, we had a significant number of guys tap out.

Why, I couldn't understand for the life of me. You just got here and you're done???

They went into ELS status, entry-level separation. For a few weeks the drills messed with them and then one day, poof! Gone.

Honestly, it was probably best for the Army, for those who would have had to soldier along side of them and maybe even the guys who left. Not everyone is cut out to be an infantryman and if it's clear they can't toe the line then I think showing them the door is better for all.
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Sounds like he is in the delayed entry program. If so, he can simply change his mind and tell his recruiter he has changed his mind. He is not officially in the military until he is sworn in during the entry process when he goes to boot camp.
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Originally Posted by pugdaddy View Post
Question regarding undoing a naval reserve enlistment. Is it possible? Know some who signed up, took oath, medical, etc....Now wants to "get out" of contract....Basic has been pushed back to possibly up to 1 year.....So, he wants to get out his contact to join not just for that but a couple of other reasons......Recruiter has no knowledge of it yet but he has requested 3 meetings with him and recruiter has cancelled all 3 appointments. I haven't read the contract and he's a millenial so they think Google is the answer or the contract meant nothing....

Curious if it would be a "discharge" if he was able to undo and if so what might be future problems with such? TIA!
Don’t show up to anything else, eventually he will receive what’s called an ELS, which is a notice of Entry Level Separation and will have no impact on his future. No different then a kid who enlists and then gains a ton of weight before boot camp and they decided not to ship him/her.

All the kid needs to do is nothing......

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If they let him out they should give him a dishonorable discharge. Dishonor for failing to live up to his contractual obligations.

Years later he will be most regrettable. Maybe only months later when he can't get a job.

I hated the Navy when. Best thing ever to happen in my life. Should have stayed in the reserves and retired. Stupid young boys mistake.

The fool should be shown the error of his thinking.

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