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Old 08-20-2020, 05:37 PM
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As some of you may have seen, I decided to place my Pursuit 3000 Express on the market. Those of you who know the 3000 Express will likely know that the boat tends to site "heavy" when not moving in the water. The water line is essentially at the line where the bottom paint meets the gelcoat, and the sum pump thru hulls are just above the water line (The bilge ones are midship about 2 feet above the water line.). Well today someone came to look at it with their mechanic as a second follow up visit. Gladly took him and his family out for a ride on the water when he first came to see it, everything runs smooth and clean, put too much money into this boat for it to not be in excellent condition, and even have my mechanic come check once every 4-5 weeks to check up/top up things. This past week my mechanic was doing a barnacle buster flush as I read about it on here as a good preventative maintenance item so I asked him to do it, and when he was doing that he noticed a raw water hose not in great shape, so he changed that out. Just trying to paint the picture here that I've put $35k into this boat in the last 4 months, I don't let this boat sit and rot. Well, this afternoon, the gentleman showed up a second time to take a look again but this time with a "mechanic". He also brought his friend along who happens to have the 3400 express in the same marina and coincidentally on the same dock. Well, for whatever reason, the second the friend showed up without even an introduction he randomly starts telling people that the boat is sinking, its under water, its dangerous and will not float under way and that no insurance would ever sell it, because of the water line being just up to the gel coat, and that its allegedly supposed to be like his pursuit 3400 express where its about 3 inches from the gel coat. He tells the potential buyer to not even board the boat or look at it and its a dangerous vessel ready to sink. Mind you, I still take this boat out on a daily basis, I have the marina and the mechanic routinely check things out on it, the dockmaster even checks on it as we've built a good relationship. I have a survey from last year. Nothing has changed, the boat has been like this since day 1 it has left the pursuit factory. For a boat with 30'10" LOA and 10'6" beam, to have two twin screw diesels, its always going to be a heavy boat. There is another 3000 express 3 spots down at the marina, which is gas, and sits about 1/4" higher. These boats ride low. The buyer absolutely has the right to walk away, but I guess I'm ranting that someone from the marina who is also friends with the guy, is on the dock, knowing the boat is for sale, telling people publicly that the boat is in danger of sinking and can not be insured and its a total loss. I mean, wtf is this? I've been in this marina in this spot for 2 years. You'd think if the boat was sinking someone would have said something by now. Well, he frightened the shit out of the guy and the guy didn't even step aboard he said he can't continue since the boat is ready to sink. Exaggerate much? Makes me want to talk to this guy on the side next time and tell him to mind his own business and to be telling people something so blatantly false is practically defamation knowing this boat is up for sale. I've had three people who looked at it in the last week who are supposed to make me an offer within the next week, and only this one guys friend from the dock happens to "know" that the boat is taking on water very fast and is sinking. Guess I wont have the boat there in a couple hours, at least my insurance will kick in and write me a check eh?

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Old 08-20-2020, 05:43 PM
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That sucks.

I have mine listed for sale but I screen people before showing the boat to them. I look them up online and see if they appear to be legit or are just tire kickers. You can tell a lot about a person with a simple background check.

Last couple who checked the boat out pulled up in a Sierra Denali. Property records showed they had a $ 550k+ house. These are people I want to show the boat to, not tire kickers looking for a free boat ride.

It isn’t a fool proof method but it definitely helps minimize dealing with any undesirables. The couple ended up buying a bigger and newer boat that same day, but followed up with me to let me know they bought the other boat.
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Your dockmate is a douche canoe.

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Old 08-20-2020, 05:48 PM
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Just to add to some images of my boat that's currently allegedly sinking and is a total loss in disrepair.

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I totally agree. I try to do a basic google search when conducting business with anyone. I wont judge them for what I find online but I'd like to try and narrow down what I am dealing with financially.

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That sucks.

I have mine listed for sale but I screen people before showing the boat to them. I look them up online and see if they appear to be legit or are just tire kickers. You can tell a lot about a person with a simple background check.

Last couple who checked the boat out pulled up in a Sierra Denali. Property records showed they had a $ 550k+ house. These are people I want to show the boat to, not tire kickers looking for a free boat ride.

It isn’t a fool proof method but it definitely helps minimize dealing with any undesirables. The couple ended up buying a bigger and newer boat that same day, but followed up with me to let me know they bought the other boat.
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No good deed goes unpunished. I was selling mine and my slip neighbor told the buyer that my boat sank.... My slip neighbor was quite an older guy who went through a case of Budweiser a day. After I found out about it and approached him and asked him why he would say such a thing. He said "That happened 10 years ago."
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Sounds to me like you saved yourself a hassle and a headache. Good buyers are out there and will come along.

Kharma is a bitch, so smile and move on.
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Originally Posted by WeeKilt View Post
Sounds to me like you saved yourself a hassle and a headache. Good buyers are out there and will come along.

Kharma is a bitch, so smile and move on.
Absolutely. Why I haven't gone and knocked on his door to give him a peace of my mind. Absolutely no rush to sell, this boat is so much easier to solo than a tiara that's double the weight and 10ft longer, but just don't appreciate someone who is on the dock saying things that are blatant lies and outloud on the dock too. If he genuinely believes the boat is sinking tell the person privately not to buy it. Or if you thought it was sinking tell me earlier since you've seen the boat for months and even wave as I walk by occasionally. My issue now is am I going to deal with an asshole getting involved in my business everytime I'm showing the boat though. He seemed very happy to talk up how his boat sits way higher. Perhaps he's jockeying to sell his? Idk, still sounds like you should show some respect rather than being a loud mouth especially since I have 2 boats in slips on either side of yours. We're going to see each other often.
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I love "mechanic friends".
I was selling an old SUV several years back that had close to 200k miles on it. It was cheap. Guy shows up with his "mechanic friend" and he asks me when the last time the timing belt was changed. I said never. He yells out," this engine is a grenade... It will probably blow up on the test drive. You should have changed out the timing belt 3x by now".
I said, son... what do you do for a living? As he started to tell me I interrupted him and said see that shop behind you? I'm the shop manager there. I manage the mechanics. I take good care of my personal cars. This pushrod V8 doesn't have any timing belts. It has a timing chain. They don't break. And if it did break, I'd just put another one on and go on with my day because it's not an interference engine and the engine won't grenade even if it did break.
There was no test drive. Sold it a few days later.
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I would’ve had to knock him in the mouth or pull his plug. It’s amazing how some people don’t have any manners.

Boat looks fine to me.
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Originally Posted by weekilt View Post
sounds to me like you saved yourself a hassle and a headache. Good buyers are out there and will come along.

Kharma is a bitch, so smile and move on.
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Originally Posted by kmagnuss View Post
I love "mechanic friends".
I was selling an old SUV several years back that had close to 200k miles on it. It was cheap. Guy shows up with his "mechanic friend" and he asks me when the last time the timing belt was changed. I said never. He yells out," this engine is a grenade... It will probably blow up on the test drive. You should have changed out the timing belt 3x by now".
I said, son... what do you do for a living? As he started to tell me I interrupted him and said see that shop behind you? I'm the shop manager there. I manage the mechanics. I take good care of my personal cars. This pushrod V8 doesn't have any timing belts. It has a timing chain. They don't break. And if it did break, I'd just put another one on and go on with my day because it's not an interference engine and the engine won't grenade even if it did break.
There was no test drive. Sold it a few days later.
HAHA. Owned.
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Quick question.....Have all 3 Pursuits been bottom painted to the same specs? By the same guy? Or does the bottom paint come up to different levels an each of the hulls?
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Wait til he sells his karma is. a b*

good luck with the sale. Sorry to hear you had that douche fk it up.
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Quick question.....Have all 3 Pursuits been bottom painted to the same specs? By the same guy? Or does the bottom paint come up to different levels an each of the hulls?
All the ones we are able to compare in my marina have been painted to where Pursuit ended the gel coat in the factory, and on all three the water line is basically right at the place where the bottom paint meets the gelcoat. The pursuit 3000 express is like this if you look at every boat in the country. I assure you my boat is not sinking. Additionally, the diesels are pushing an extra 600+lbs having diesels instead of gassers. On a boat thats only 30 feet thats a good amount of weight. If you add 4 adults any boat 30feet or small it will drop half an inch. A surveyor would have found if the boat was waterlogged and sinking.

For whatever reason he wanted to point to his boat which is a different model and different year to say that my boat is sinking but his is A-OK. I can only assume hes teeing up to sell and wants to help nudge his buddy his way.
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All the ones we are able to compare in my marina have been painted to where Pursuit ended the gel coat in the factory, and on all three the water line is basically right at the place where the bottom paint meets the gelcoat. The pursuit 3000 express is like this if you look at every boat in the country. I assure you my boat is not sinking. Additionally, the diesels are pushing an extra 600+lbs having diesels instead of gassers. On a boat thats only 30 feet thats a good amount of weight. If you add 4 adults any boat 30feet or small it will drop half an inch. A surveyor would have found if the boat was waterlogged and sinking.

For whatever reason he wanted to point to his boat which is a different model and different year to say that my boat is sinking but his is A-OK. I can only assume hes teeing up to sell and wants to help nudge his buddy his way.

What do you mean, where the factory gelcoat ends? I don’t think it does as there are examples of the boats out there that are not bottom painted. There was even a 52 IIRC that was kept on a lift with no paint and tell others all the way to the keel. I know our Pursuits Are painted after production by the dealer/marina.

Point being, that they all have some weird characteristic and depending on who paints it, this can be a problem. Our last 345 was purchased new. We left it in unpainted for 2 weeks to establish the water line. Went up 1.5” and painted it.

The paint on our 385, which we bought used, needs to have the waterline brought up about an inch because when she is full of fuel, the paint line is equal to the waterline. I se this happen when a yard or dealer eyeballs it. Ill bet thats what happened to yours. It has likely been like that since day one. If you have to haul out again, you may be able to do something about it easily.

Nothing wrong with the boat, just someone who knows too much for their own good. Probably reads on THT too much.
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All the ones we are able to compare in my marina have been painted to where Pursuit ended the gel coat in the factory, and on all three the water line is basically right at the place where the bottom paint meets the gelcoat. The pursuit 3000 express is like this if you look at every boat in the country. I assure you my boat is not sinking. Additionally, the diesels are pushing an extra 600+lbs having diesels instead of gassers. On a boat thats only 30 feet thats a good amount of weight. If you add 4 adults any boat 30feet or small it will drop half an inch. A surveyor would have found if the boat was waterlogged and sinking.

For whatever reason he wanted to point to his boat which is a different model and different year to say that my boat is sinking but his is A-OK. I can only assume hes teeing up to sell and wants to help nudge his buddy his way.
Tell the friend that the entire bottom is gel coated and whoever painted the anti fouling on put the water line where they “thought” the boat was going to float. Next time you paint the bottom have the yard raise the line 2”. We did it all the time when we converted gas to diesel or added larger fuel tanks, added generators and ac equipment or any number of reasons. If you raise the hatch and there’s no water in the bilge how is the boat sinking?
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Put some fish in his bilge on a Monday. Should be pretty ripe by the weekend! That'll teach him to mind his on damn business!!!
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Yeah, as above I think you're a little bit mislead on how bottom paint works.

There is no "gel coat line" on a boat. The whole boat is gel coated. If the boat lives in the water, then whoever does the paint marks how it is sitting in the water (preferably when it is heavy - full of gas and water etc) and marks the paint line on it. When the boat is light, the boat will float a little higher and more of the paint will be exposed. Some guys pride themselves on putting the paint right at the waterline, others go way up so that you'll get less scum bulidup from rocking etc, or because they're just guessing at how it floats when loaded heavy.

Some hulls have contours in the fiberglass which may give you a reference point from one boat to another (identical) boat. Sometimes painters will use those as marks, sometimes not.

In any case, there's no reason to assume that two identical boats have identical paint lines. Surprisingly, many hulls you can't even count on the thru-hulls being drilled into the same spots although usually they're close. Now two identical boats (with the same amount of weight in them) should float at ABOUT the same level but there are variables there too.

I guess what it boils down to - If your boat and the other boat are identical models and floating completely differently (with the same amount of fuel) it would be nice to know why. But there are many other things that could make them look like they're floating differently.
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Appreciate the insight and comments on the water line and bottom paint. My boat does not sit differently than the two other pursuit 3000 express in the marina. It sits differently than his 3400 which is 3 years newer and a totally different model. The other 2, along with everyone one listed in the country with a clear picture have the water line hitting right at the plastic thru hulls for the sump pumps. In my opinion they should have probably lifted them up but this was pursuit from the factory. This guy seems to think that the thru hulls should be 6 inches above the water so it is sinking if the thru hulls are at the water line. Not sure how they come from the factory back in 99 but there has not been one that the bottom paint has been higher or lower from the 5-6 I've seen in person and 10 or so I've seen online. Also, were comparing the exhausts as well. The exhaust is just slightly dipped in the water. They are all identical. The gasser versions are at most about a 1/4" higher. I appreciate the concern on it not floating the same but I think my post was misunderstood. I know the boat sits the same as all the other models and it's not sinking. Boat was designed like this. I'd say Pursuit knows more than the obnoxious neighbor at the dock yet ironically he has a pursuit as well

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Yeah, as above I think you're a little bit mislead on how bottom paint works.

There is no "gel coat line" on a boat. The whole boat is gel coated. If the boat lives in the water, then whoever does the paint marks how it is sitting in the water (preferably when it is heavy - full of gas and water etc) and marks the paint line on it. When the boat is light, the boat will float a little higher and more of the paint will be exposed. Some guys pride themselves on putting the paint right at the waterline, others go way up so that you'll get less scum bulidup from rocking etc, or because they're just guessing at how it floats when loaded heavy.

Some hulls have contours in the fiberglass which may give you a reference point from one boat to another (identical) boat. Sometimes painters will use those as marks, sometimes not.

In any case, there's no reason to assume that two identical boats have identical paint lines. Surprisingly, many hulls you can't even count on the thru-hulls being drilled into the same spots although usually they're close. Now two identical boats (with the same amount of weight in them) should float at ABOUT the same level but there are variables there too.

I guess what it boils down to - If your boat and the other boat are identical models and floating completely differently (with the same amount of fuel) it would be nice to know why. But there are many other things that could make them look like they're floating differently.

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