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Old 08-02-2020, 05:41 PM
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Anyone checked out the new AC boats? Heres a half scale one getting a little excited on a practice day. They say the full size ones can exceed 50knts. Had a full size one go past me a few months back. Almost flat calm and the thing must have been doing over 25knts.


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Amazing stuff!
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What's even more amazing is that they landed it ok and carried on sailing. That only a 38fter. When the 75fters do the same it must be really interesting. Must be hard to kiss your ass goodbye and keep sailing at the same time.
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Kind of disrespectful of you posting a sailing topic in this very biased pinhead forum. Good for you!
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Kind of disrespectful of you posting a sailing topic in this very biased pinhead forum. Good for you!
Wait till they advance that tech to power boats. Have your 30ft CC running 50knts with a pair of 50hp outboard getting 10mpg. Had one of the 75fters towed out past me by it's tender a while back. The sail boat was up on it's foils and they must of been cracking 20knts at least without sails. 40ft inflatable tender with trip 350's. That's 115ft of boats doing 20knts plus on trip 350s and just cruising.
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I think the America's cup kind of lost its identity when "traditional" yachts were retired, nothing wrong with the new boats, the technology is great, but (to me) its not the real race!
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I think the America's cup kind of lost its identity when "traditional" yachts were retired, nothing wrong with the new boats, the technology is great, but (to me) its not the real race!
I'm a little bit the same as you, but damn these things are impressive. I raced 2 man 3 sail dinghys for years and I really enjoy the cut and thrust of more traditional racing, but many people today don't have a 2 hour attention span or have any concept of the intricacies of traditional racing.
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As one famous old yacht designer said " The fun in sailing is directly proportional to the speed sailed" L Francis Herreshoff, so those guy are having a blast
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They're slower than the Ultims.
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2017 Bermuda America's cup was a good time.
























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where are the rod holders?
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Originally Posted by noelm View Post
I think the America's cup kind of lost its identity when "traditional" yachts were retired, nothing wrong with the new boats, the technology is great, but (to me) its not the real race!
I agree.
It's not sailing ability as much as it is sailing technology now.

Really can't say I give a rat's ass.

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the tech is interesting but the race isn't very interesting. No sail changes, no tactics after the start line. In the last AC much was made about the dagger board choices. Apparently the board choice was important but the decision had to be made before the racing began. No changes for the day. It was rare for the boat that crossed the start line first not to win. For sail racing it doesn't get better than the Volvo Ocean Race of the past few cycles.. But they are screwing with that now.
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i like the traditional sail hulls too
these crazy things are definitely impressive tech and speed.
But there are only a handful of teams that can mount a serious campaign.

the money it takes is mind blowing
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I was at the races in Fremantle Aus and the best part of the old AC races were the tactics and overtaking the boat in front of you. Now it’s how much $ you have to do the best research and materials. I wish they would bring back the 12m boats. I also met the Prime Minister at the awards party (ceremony) over an Imu lager beer. Partied for 4 weeks with the shellas.
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Originally Posted by mbb View Post
I agree.
It's not sailing ability as much as it is sailing technology now.

Really can't say I give a rat's ass.
America's Cup has always been an arms race from day one. If you think otherwise you haven't paid any attention.
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Originally Posted by Aliboy View Post
Wait till they advance that tech to power boats. Have your 30ft CC running 50knts with a pair of 50hp outboard getting 10mpg. Had one of the 75fters towed out past me by it's tender a while back. The sail boat was up on it's foils and they must of been cracking 20knts at least without sails. 40ft inflatable tender with trip 350's. That's 115ft of boats doing 20knts plus on trip 350s and just cruising.
It's been happening for decades already aliboy! The rest of us in the boating world look on their development with envy, unlimited budgets do that kind of thing. Many of their techniques and materials are migrating over slowly, vacuum bagging, autoclaving, carbon fiber Pre-Preg's and other parts all were first used by AC teams. Some of them even farm out parts to the more advanced builders, I know one very well and I'm sure Otseg have occasionally built parts for them but there are always NDA's involved!

Back when the mono's were still racing a bare hull could be built that weighed less than 500# but it's not necessarily always translatable into a recreational boat. That same 500# hull was absolutely unbearable inside, in any waves it sounded louder than being inside a 55 gallon drum while someone beat it with a sledgehammer. Another point was made to me by one of the top designers while we were discussing the differences. It was after that famous folding in half of one boat and he said they ran one too many tests. They design it to last only a certain time and if it breaks at the finish line it was perfect, if it doesn't then they overbuilt it and went looking for more places to cut.
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The F1 of sailing. I have fond memorizes as a kid seeing them in Newport.

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