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Old 07-29-2020, 07:55 AM
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Old 07-29-2020, 08:01 AM
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What state? It makes a big difference. In FL, charging you with an axe - you can shoot him.
Old 07-29-2020, 08:02 AM
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You can either arm yourself and stand your ground or move out of the subdivision (temporarily or permanently). The first option is a bad idea if you are not proficient with firearms and/or prepared to shoot your BIL if it comes down to your life or his and/or prepared to convince your wife that it was a good idea to shoot her brother.

On a lighter note, where can I buy a trash can like yours, that is so tough an enraged man can't pull an axe blade out of it?

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Wow!

crazy scary. Restraining order?
talk to DA about assault charge and attempted murder? Or you will escalate and make sure there is legal action again law enforcement since plenty of written pleas for protection were documented

i would carry a gun for sure if you are not already.


eveyone talks tough and i would hate hate to take a life. But if on camera you have him chasing you into your house with an axe no court would be against you. Doubt even charges
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I would start with a restraining order at a minimum. Having one in place often opens up law enforcements options if/when it is violated.
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I know you said the Baker Act won't work, but if he has an actual medical diagnosis and won't take his meds you should be able to contact the Coroner's office and have him committed on the grounds that he is a danger to himself and others in the current situation. That should buy you 72 hours, if he's really that bad off he will probably cause enough trouble that they will hold him longer. Good luck, you are in a no win situation, and BTW you should go stay wherever your wife and son are staying until he gets picked up, no sense in putting yourself in the direct line of fire, pardon the pun.
Old 07-29-2020, 08:20 AM
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Firstly I would move yourself and family temporarily. Your brother needs help and shooting him, no matter how justified would be devastating to all. Get a restraining order and push the 5150 angle.
Old 07-29-2020, 08:23 AM
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Sounds like this d-bag needs an ass kicking.. Family or not, I wouldn't hesitate to shoot him. Have a talk with your wife, that she's about to be down a brother - I'd make sure she fully understands the severity of the situation. The next time he approached me with an axe/shovel/piece of tile, he'd catch a bullet or two. Record everything.

Since you mention it's a gated community, I'm assuming this is a nicer development with expensive homes. Where is he getting his money? - surely he can't hold down a job acting this way..

I'm not a medical professional and am often called out for being wrong - but, it's been my experience that people with these bipolar diagnoses are often raised with zero discipline and allowed to do what they want and get their way. My two best friends growing up - both of their parents allowed them to do whatever they wanted - stay out all night, drink and smoke cigarettes as 13 year olds, steal, fight, etc.. Today, both of them have been in and out of jail their entire adult lives and both have some label like bipolar w/ ADD.. I have a cousin I grew up with - exact same way. My partner, she has an uncle that's chronically unemployed and acts very similar to your BIL and same thing - he was basically given free reign as a teenager/young adult. The first time I met him was at Christmas and he threatened to choke my gf over a minor disagreement. When I spoke up, he threatened to choke me - then upped it to threatening shooting me when we nearly came to blows. Again, her family gave this "Robert, he's bipolar - he doesn't mean what he says.." excuse to me. I know there are a lot of people with legit mental issues, but (IMO) there is also a large portion of them that are just shitty people, act like spoiled children and putting a label on them is more PC than calling them what they really are.
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If it wasn't a family member, I wouldn't budge an inch on my lifestyle and protect mine and my property at all costs. Since this is a family member though, I think you owe it to your sister and your inlaws to do everything possible to resolve this as peacefully as possible. Getting the DA, the Judge, and local LEO in the mix as soon as possible, with documentation, is what I'd do. I would probably stay somewhere else until it gets resolved.

What a bad spot to be in, I feel for you. Let's pray that he gets the meds he needs and gets back to being a normal person.
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Dang. You’ve got more restraint than I do. And your law enforcement officers need to try to do more. Sucks you have to deal with all that.
Old 07-29-2020, 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Thirsty Turtle View Post
A little history on the subject.....

Brother in law is diagnosed bipolar and does not take medications. He lives 10 houses down form me in the same gated community. I serve on the Architectural Review Committee for the community and we handle simple approvals of re-roofs, paint colors, landscaping issues, architectural changes, etc. My brother in law requested a flat concrete tile that was denied to another resident about a year ago. Based on the historical precedence, I voted against the request. Ultimately, he was denied by the committee 2-1. I told him the decision had nothing to do with family, its just business. Something snapped inside of him when he was denied, and he has been in a complete state of rage for several weeks. He has issues with other family members, but he is hyper-focused on me at this point. He seems to think I have somehow broken the family up and continues to threaten me. I know it sounds silly, but he is obviously just using the roof tile situation as a scapegoat for deeper seeded issues.

The last couple of weeks he made multiple verbal threats to me. These threats were said to other family members and relayed back to me. He has never directly threatened me up to this point. Family members at this point are ignoring all of his texts/communication which only added fuel to his fire. He wants a reaction, and he's not getting one.

On Monday, my wife sends me pictures of roof tiles shattered all over my driveway and front porch. I guess my brother in law decided that he wouldn't need all of his sample tiles anymore, and they would look better shattered all over my property. Police were called and came to the house. Due to the fact that there was no damage, there were no charges. We cleaned the mess and said nothing about it to my brother in law. I warned the officer that this would not be the last time they would be out to my house. And I wasn't wrong........

Yesterday, as I pulled out of my community, by brother in law was waiting for me with an axe. I lowered my window to ask what he wanted. He was extremely enraged so I drove off. He then proceeded to beat the hell out of my tailgate with the axe. Fearing for my safety, I turned around and went home. He followed and chased me into my garage with the axe. While wildly swinging the axe in my garage, it became so deeply lodged in my trash can, he couldn't pull it out and left. While walking down the driveway, he decided the side of my truck would be great place to land some solid punches and elbows. Now the side of the truck matches the tailgate. F'd.
Police were called and he was arrested for criminal mischief, but no assault. They even took the axe as evidence, and we have video of him charging up the driveway. I told the officers again that this wouldn't be the last time they would be out, and next time will most likely be a homicide.

He bonded out before 10am and was right back in my community.

My concern is that his actions are escalating, and I have no doubt he will continue the violence and destruction on an upward trajectory. He owns firearms, and I don't think he would hesitate to use them. He will not accept treatment for his condition, and Baker Acting him won't work. The police do not add any real support. My wife (his sister) is terrified and has started staying somewhere else with my young son. So here I am. Alone. Waiting for this crazy SOB to do his next crazy act with only a restraining order.

I don't know what to do. Please give me some solid advice!!!
He swung an axe at you in your own garage. You should be planning his funeral, not worrying about a restraining order.
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Originally Posted by fisherx View Post
If it wasn't a family member, I wouldn't budge an inch on my lifestyle and protect mine and my property at all costs. Since this is a family member though, I think you owe it to your sister and your inlaws to do everything possible to resolve this as peacefully as possible. Getting the DA, the Judge, and local LEO in the mix as soon as possible, with documentation, is what I'd do. I would probably stay somewhere else until it gets resolved.

What a bad spot to be in, I feel for you. Let's pray that he gets the meds he needs and gets back to being a normal person.
This is spot on. Something needs to be done. I am not sure what else you can do. I certainly wouldnt want to leave my property/home. That might be the safest bet at this point however. Its only a matter of time before something else happens. Stay Safe and keep you family safe!!!!
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the first thing I would do is to call a defense attorney who can advise you of your rights under the law and help guide you in the steps you need to take to protect yourself and family.
a good lawyer knows people and which buttons to push. And while folks say to get a firearm you may not have time to gain proficiency in its use.
beyond a bit of lead, what you truly are going to need in any circumstance is a good lawyer. Go find one immediately
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I would call the other ARC committee members and tell them you changed your mind, and let him have his damn tile roof before someone dies. I despise ARC committees btw because they make douche bag decisions all the time based on what they prefer personally, instead of what will increase values and diversity of homes in the neighborhood.

OTOH, this is one crazy story and you are truly in a pinch. You should not have to endure this at all. You need to be fully prepared to protect yourself since the police can't or won't. I would immediately procure several very lethal firearms if you don't have them (45cal pistol and short barrel shotgun), go straight to the range for training if you are not comfortable, and practice center mass and head shots on silhouette targets.

I also would not stay at your home until you are prepared to protect yourself and your family. I am very sorry you are going through this, and I hope the police will step in and do something. If they do step in, you still need to be prepared to protect yourself in the future because family does not go away.
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Call your local hospital and ask for the crisis line for mental health. They will handle it.
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I would call the other ARC committee members and tell them you changed your mind, and let him have his damn tile roof before someone dies.
Zero chance. $1000 says he acts the way he does now because he's used to getting what he wants. No way I'd bow to his demands. Shoot him and be done with it.
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I know you said the Baker Act won't work, but if he has an actual medical diagnosis and won't take his meds you should be able to contact the Coroner's office and have him committed on the grounds that he is a danger to himself and others in the current situation. That should buy you 72 hours, if he's really that bad off he will probably cause enough trouble that they will hold him longer. Good luck, you are in a no win situation, and BTW you should go stay wherever your wife and son are staying until he gets picked up, no sense in putting yourself in the direct line of fire, pardon the pun.
the coroner is not going to do anything until he comes into his office on a stretcher! the cops should have baker acted him with the ax wheeling incident. the problem is he will get stabilized, then released then he will stop taking his meds again, and resort back to the same type of behavior. wash rinse repeat! the cycle mentioned is very common for a TRUE bipolar. now i believe there is a a problem with folks being labeled bipolar that are diagnosed based on just bad behavior without being a true bipolar.
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He should be committed to a psych hospital. He is currently a danger to others and needs care as well as incarcation.
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Originally Posted by SomedayIsle View Post
Call your local hospital and ask for the crisis line for mental health. They will handle it.
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yikes.

wife's brother ? I'm not typically that guy, but pics of the wife are a MUST in this case.

kidding.

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