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Old 07-04-2020, 06:31 AM
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Excuse my ignorance, but exactly what is being tested..whether you've ever had COVID or whether you currently have it or both? Is the test specific to COVID-19 or any corona virus?
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The goal is any positive result of any kind to get the maximum number to be used as a control mechanism.

We were told of "models" that projected infection rate, death rate, number of hospital beds needed, number of respirators needed, etc., etc., etc. and they used that wrong data to close down the world. We/they know so much more now yet relaxing of their controls is coming slowly. The ones that want to keep hold of the control are behind all the testing to yield the high results they need.
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The data is based on the status of the patient at that moment I.e. infected or not. Antibody testing which indicates previous exposure is not being used as far as I have read.

And no, the case count going up is not all because of increased testing. If this was the case the overall positive test % would be steady or dropping, in reality it’s increasing in many areas.

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Originally Posted by baypro21 View Post
The goal is any positive result of any kind to get the maximum number to be used as a control mechanism.

We were told of "models" that projected infection rate, death rate, number of hospital beds needed, number of respirators needed, etc., etc., etc. and they used that wrong data to close down the world. We/they know so much more now yet relaxing of their controls is coming slowly. The ones that want to keep hold of the control are behind all the testing to yield the high results they need.
So the current testing isn't isolating new cases but a positive simply means you have it now or could have had it any time in the past? Or even a positive due to a cold..current or past?
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Nasal swab = are you infected.
Blood test = do you have antibodies.

The first is what is used for the stats.
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Another thing to keep in mind regarding testing. The govt constantly touts the number of tests performed but they don’t mention the # of people tested. In reality there are many people such as healthcare workers etc. that may be tested multiple times per week.
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I understand a lot more people are testing positive but how many of those are actually sick? I understand they can spread it to others but they make it sound like anyone who is positive is sick. We had 5 people test positive but only one showed any symptoms. The other 4 had absolutely no symptoms. They have been wearing masks while at work through this whole thing.
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Yup. I've been asking this question for months. I just had the conversation with a few maskers... and none of them had any kind of real information. The reality is that they know it's bullshit, but they are in too deep to admit it. Instead of just saying, "Hey - you know what? We didn't know squat about this thing when it started... we made a lot of mistakes. But we're ready to move forward now." (Not including the ones that are financially benefiting from it, or the ones that simply enjoy sitting home and "safe" and doing nothing.)

Nope.

Instead they double down. LOL.

All I can suggest is keep drilling it. Ask these people, "new positive cases?" ok. Thanks for sharing! Were they positive for antigen? antibody? how many were tested? what is the accuracy rate of the test? what are the demos of the sample? what is the mortality rate now? ... When they talk about opening school... ask them about youth>adult transmission rates. Ask the hard questions. Ask them often. These people are VERY low-IQ decision makers. You won't change their mind, but you can at least know that their position is totally unfounded (again, unless for personal gain -- and there is A LOT of that going on too!)

They can't answer a single one of those questions so they just laugh and walk away. Sheep are sheep for a reason.

I won't even go into the "other" dynamics since politics aren't permitted here.
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Originally Posted by Polapea View Post
The data is based on the status of the patient at that moment I.e. infected or not. Antibody testing which indicates previous exposure is not being used as far as I have read.

And no, the case count going up is not all because of increased testing. If this was the case the overall positive test % would be steady or dropping, in reality it’s increasing in many areas.
Present sources and data.
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IMO the population is not being provided with any meaningful numbers on which to base a well-informed, rational decision.
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Originally Posted by baypro21 View Post
The goal is any positive result of any kind to get the maximum number to be used as a control mechanism.

We were told of "models" that projected infection rate, death rate, number of hospital beds needed, number of respirators needed, etc., etc., etc. and they used that wrong data to close down the world. We/they know so much more now yet relaxing of their controls is coming slowly. The ones that want to keep hold of the control are behind all the testing to yield the high results they need.
Don't forget the thousands and thousands we killed with vents because health care workers didn't understand PPE with high-flow oxygen.

I know, I know... "we didn't know that then".

Well... here's a hint. Bullshit. Yes you did.
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the goal went from flatten the curve to stop people from dieing to now we are trying to prevent anyone from getting it.
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the goal went from flatten the curve to stop people from dieing to now we are trying to prevent anyone from getting it.
Well, it is an election year.
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I was just reminded that the active test (the nasal one) has as much as a 30% false negative rate particularly if you test very early in the onset symptomatic stage. Was a case around here just the other day that the young man had symptoms and sought medical attention but came back negative. The doctor saw that he was exhibiting all the symptoms but had just the night before come down with them so he advised him that he was presumptive positive and to act like it. All the steps were then taken as if he was positive by the place he worked. But he chose to consider himself "negative" in spite of that. But his work chose otherwise. Now... hard to say how long it took for all his close associates and room mate to actually realize he was probably positive. Shows to go ya... its not an exact science and people are stupid.
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The government’s disease-fighting agency is conflating viral and antibody tests.


The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is conflating the results of two different types of coronavirus tests, distorting several important metrics and providing the country with an inaccurate picture of the state of the pandemic. We’ve learned that the CDC is making, at best, a debilitating mistake: combining test results that diagnose current coronavirus infections with test results that measure whether someone has ever had the virus. The upshot is that the government’s disease-fighting agency is overstating the country’s ability to test people who are sick with COVID-19. The agency confirmed to The Atlantic on Wednesday that it is mixing the results of viral and antibody tests, even though the two tests reveal different information and are used for different reasons.

“You’ve got to be kidding me,” Ashish Jha, the K. T. Li Professor of Global Health at Harvard and the director of the Harvard Global Health Institute, told us when we described what the CDC was doing. “How could the CDC make that mistake? This is a mess.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/a...-texas/611935/
Yeah, I trust what experts are stating...





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Originally Posted by chrisjb View Post
IMO the population is not being provided with any meaningful numbers on which to base a well-informed, rational decision.
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Originally Posted by chrisjb View Post
IMO the population is not being provided with any meaningful numbers on which to base a well-informed, rational decision.
Yup.
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Originally Posted by Polapea View Post
Another thing to keep in mind regarding testing. The govt constantly touts the number of tests performed but they don’t mention the # of people tested. In reality there are many people such as healthcare workers etc. that may be tested multiple times per week.
Our states figures include numbers tested and positive tests.
Bu, there is no rhyme or reason in a lot of cases.

The best numbers would be people who test positive broken down to asymptomatic, mild symptomatic and severe )requiring hospitalization.
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Originally Posted by Polapea View Post
The data is based on the status of the patient at that moment I.e. infected or not. Antibody testing which indicates previous exposure is not being used as far as I have read.

And no, the case count going up is not all because of increased testing. If this was the case the overall positive test % would be steady or dropping, in reality it’s increasing in many areas.
This is false

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