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Old 12-21-2006, 03:33 PM
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Who wants to stop at lights? Over the years, around here, (central N. Carolina) they've been doing away with cloverleafs and rerouteing the on and off ramps with traffic lights. All new construction of beltlines have multi-million dollar traffic light systems. Did we forget how to merge?

Any traffic/growth engineers out there that can explain?
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Old 12-21-2006, 04:06 PM
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Light manufacturer kick backs to engineers maybe?
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Old 12-21-2006, 05:00 PM
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I'm guessing the cost of land is the reason. Cloverleafs eat up lots of real estate and usually that real estate is in the prime, high rent area.
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Old 12-21-2006, 05:46 PM
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Could be the land and it could be that clover leafs donít generate income. In California we have things called diamond lanes, aka carpool lanes. 33% of the freeway is reserved for 17% of the population on the road during peak traffic times. It has been proven that carpool lanes CAUSE more pollution than if they were gone. But the state wonít make them Ďgoneí because of the $-millions in revenue the diamond lanes generate in traffic fines.

How much revenue is generated at the stop lights that would not be generated with clover leafs?
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Old 12-21-2006, 06:05 PM
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Uh, because Muffy in the SUV needs a bright light to get her attention while she's on the cell phone? Just a thought.
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Old 12-21-2006, 06:23 PM
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Shag - 12/21/2006 6:05 PM

Uh, because Muffy in the SUV needs a bright light to get her attention while she's on the cell phone? Just a thought.



I saw a semi that merged into the back of another truck in the middle of nowhere(any place in Iowa ) a few years back. Absolutely no reason for it. The driver must have pulled onto the on ramp shifted up thru the gears, nailed the throttle, and promptly fell asleep at the wheel, right before driving into the back of the truck that failed to or couldn't move over.

My guess is, that merge lanes result in to many accidents and the Insurance companies are flexing their clout. To many drivers wait until the absolute last moment to check and see if they can merge, and then promtly stop instead of speeding up to blend.
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Old 12-22-2006, 11:57 AM
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"Too many drivers wait until the absolute last moment to check and see if they can merge, and then promptly stop instead of speeding up to blend."

Right. They also don't know how to use their side mirrors, they don't know how to adjust their speed, and they don't know the meaning of the word YIELD. These are the same drivers who see the 'LANE ENDS 1/4 MILE' sign and wait until the very last second to try to sneak in before the road runs out.

But as for cloverleafs -- I think the expensive real estate may be closer to the truth.
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Old 12-22-2006, 01:33 PM
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While I'm not a traffic engineer it has been my observation that the "bowtie" interchanges occur where a limited access road (interstate type) meets a road that has lights on them anyway.

Granted I haven't driven in Raleighwood much in the last three years.
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Old 12-22-2006, 01:42 PM
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I think you're ALL wrong........ I think the engineer's lost the diagram......... Kind of like loosing the recipe for ice cubes.........
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Old 12-22-2006, 03:27 PM
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I think itís a conspiracy!
Itís a conspiracy to wear out our vehicles (motor running but we are not going anywhere).
Itís a conspiracy to burn more fuel/ gas (which drives up prices).
Itís a conspiracy to pollute the air so we can spend more in taxes to clean the air.
Itís a conspiracy because of the lost revenue do to use of real estate.
Itís a conspiracy to f#@k us up (they donít want to make life to easy for us).
Itís a conspiracy because a few people which canít drive are doing a whole lot of complaining.
Itís a conspiracy because the jack-off that does the planning doesnít know his ars from a hole in the ground, but knows Bobís hole and thatís how he got the job in the first place!

Itís a conspiracy!
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Who's Bob?
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Uhh Bob's just a guy that goes up and down........I was going to say Bill, but I didn't think he wanted a sh!tty taste in his mouth this time of the season......you know with all the kissing going on and all!
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