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Old 06-20-2020, 09:02 PM
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I just saw a trailer for this movie and it brought back very strong emotions. In my opinion it's one of the best movies dealing with WW2.
As a result, watched WW2 in HD on Netflix. Any other recos?
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Hacksaw ridge was surprisingly good.
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The original Midway put into perspective how close we came to losing the war in the pacific. Had our carriers been in Pearl at the time of the attack, WWII would have turned out vastly different. Just like how Hitler believed that the invasion would come at Calais.

Battle of the Bulge really made it clear how hard fought the war in Europe was. GIs would get wounded, get taken back to be patched up and sent right back to the front lines. Some made the trip a few times and came to the realization that they would have to fight until dead or they had won.

Patton is another movie that I love.
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WW2 in color is also good. I am assuming you've seen Band of Brothers and The Pacific, if not they are a must.
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I've watched just about every documentary on WW II on netflix and prime. Can't think of any I didnt find fascinating. I'm particularly interested in the European theater of WW II.
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Originally Posted by bakerjw View Post
The original Midway put into perspective how close we came to losing the war in the pacific. Had our carriers been in Pearl at the time of the attack, WWII would have turned out vastly different...
I do not see it that way. WWII is a mostly unwarranted merging of separate wars in Europe and Asia. Looking at matters closely there is hardly any connection between Germany and Japan. Perl Harbor was a blunder with or without carriers. Even with carriers lost Japan would eventually be defeated because of its technological backwardness and limited manufacturing capabilities.
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I'm sort of 'email pals' with two military history writers.

1) John C. McManus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_C._McManus

I have read 4 of his books starting with "The Dead and Those About to Die" which is about Omaha Beach. I was reading that book when I made my first visit to Normandy in 2014! I took photos and he later clarified a few things for me. I just finished his latest book, "Fire and Fortitude" the US Army in the Pacific, 1941-43. He's working on the second book in that series. The US Army made a lot more Pacific beach landings than the Marines during the war! I also read "September Hope" and his book about the Army Air Corps during the war. You will instantly recognize him from many TV Docs. Super nice guy!

2) Craig L. Symonds https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_Symonds

I have read two of his books so far and have swapped a few emails with him as well. In Nov 2021 both authors will be on a Tour of Normandy!

Craig's book "Neptune" covers the naval side of D-Day and it was awesome! Last fall I read "The Battle of Midway" and although I'm very familiar with that battle, I still learned a lot. Great book!

I have yet to watch this, but all of us D-Day guys will want to sit down and watch this unique interview with Gen. Ike.




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John C. McManus talks about Normandy and his excellent book........ here with other experts.




And here, Craig Symonds talks about The Battle of Midway.

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when I was aboard Ranger an admiral came and gave us a presentation on the Battle of Midway - the Admiral was a Captain at the time and lived it first hand ... Was very cool listening to the events with some who actually was there...
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Originally Posted by KJS View Post
Hacksaw ridge was surprisingly good.
Yes, it was very good.
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Band of Brothers. Top shelf!

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The book “Shattered Sword”. Excellent review of the battle.
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WW2 podcast with Angus Wallace is very good
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Originally Posted by jlpjr View Post
The book “Shattered Sword”. Excellent review of the battle.
Great book, amazing detail. Couple quick notes, it's been played up if we lost all our Carriers, we would have lost the Pacific. The author notes the economic power of the US which dwarfed Japan. One fact, in a short time afterwards, the US had one major Carrier launching every other month. Japan maybe built one, not even sure about that.

Another was all the US Navy officers knew a Pacific war was coming years, even decades earlier.

Great read on the economics. Japan had 1/10 of the total economic war making power of the US. Might be the dumbest fight picked in world history.
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Old 06-22-2020, 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Kaper View Post
I do not see it that way. WWII is a mostly unwarranted merging of separate wars in Europe and Asia. Looking at matters closely there is hardly any connection between Germany and Japan. Perl Harbor was a blunder with or without carriers. Even with carriers lost Japan would eventually be defeated because of its technological backwardness and limited manufacturing capabilities.
without the American carriers and their airwing, the Japanese would have ridden rough shod straight across Hawaii and on to the west coast. Same holds true with the European theater only instead of carriers, we had England's air bases to fly the distance across the English channel. Without stopping the Luftwaffe, the war would have turned out very differently.
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Originally Posted by BigO View Post
without the American carriers and their airwing, the Japanese would have ridden rough shod straight across Hawaii and on to the west coast. Same holds true with the European theater only instead of carriers, we had England's air bases to fly the distance across the English channel. Without stopping the Luftwaffe, the war would have turned out very differently.
They didn't have the supply lines for Midway let alone Hawaii and their Amphib landing plan on Midway was a mess. Their Naval and Army land invasion forces despised each other and didn't communicate or train together. Interesting book (Shattered Sword) and the IJN screw ups including Yamamoto. Junior IJN officers pointed out the huge risk from the US Carriers, senior officers told them to STFU.
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Yamamoto lived in America for a few years in the 20s and understood our economic/production capabilities. He warned Japan leadership that they could run wild for at most about 6 months and after that, he could not assure any more victories. The 'Plan' was that if they had sunk the carriers and battleships at PH, that the US would sue for peace, leaving Japan with all of its conquests in the Western Pacific. Yamamoto was correct. Midway was right at that 6 month time frame!

Read the book "Get Yamamoto". It's the amazing story of how we 'assassinated' Yamamoto on April 18th, 1943. Exactly one year after the famous Doolittle Tokyo Raid.

And I read this fantastic book last year!

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Afterward, I swapped some emails with this author and we discussed some of the major mistakes the Japanese made on Dec 7th. That attack could have been a LOT worse!!

One of my fav photos of the attack! There is a larger version that shows a second Jap plane...... still, pretty amazing!




I pulled up PH on Google Earth Pro and zoomed down on PH and compared that to some of Twomey's maps that are in the book. Below, you can see the Dry Docks and along the bottom, just some of the tanks at this Fuel Farm. Both, were not attacked. Some of the dry docks had damaged ships in there within a week! About 8-9 Subs had no problem topping off their tanks with fuel and within a week, several were on their way west. Orders were handed down, "Commence unrestricted submarine warfare against the Empire of Japan." No confusion there! With only about 1.6% of all Navy servicemen during the war, our awesome subs sank about 55% of all Japanese shipping! But they had a higher percentage of deaths in action than any other service and in any other theater. US Subs in the Pacific are another one of my serious interests with books, etc.



That's the runway on Ford Island above. In 1937, Amelia Earhart crashed on take off there during preps for her around-the-flight!!

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Originally Posted by Mach80Mako View Post
They didn't have the supply lines for Midway let alone Hawaii and their Amphib landing plan on Midway was a mess. Their Naval and Army land invasion forces despised each other and didn't communicate or train together. Interesting book (Shattered Sword) and the IJN screw ups including Yamamoto. Junior IJN officers pointed out the huge risk from the US Carriers, senior officers told them to STFU.
A fellow fan of combinedfleet.com? Great website for everything you'd ever want to know about the IJN.
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Originally Posted by AquaWhaler View Post
A fellow fan of combinedfleet.com? Great website for everything you'd ever want to know about the IJN.
Great site. Book was also a great read on how the IJN functioned including their Carrier ops. amazing detail on differences between them and the USN

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