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Old 06-12-2020, 09:40 AM
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https://www.kmov.com/news/officer-ch...0fee79d8a.html

Officer charged with killing George Floyd still eligible for pension worth more than $1 million

Former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin could receive more than $1 million in pension benefits during his retirement years even if he is convicted of killing George Floyd.

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Old 06-12-2020, 09:54 AM
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I guess that's ok. We have to pay for sex change surgery for convicted murderers.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/judge-appr...ry?id=17150932
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So if he get convicted, get killed in his cell, does his ex-wife or family of Floyd get anything?
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So if he get convicted, get killed in his cell, does his ex-wife or family of Floyd get anything?
I’d think that they’d have to file and win a civil suit.
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He paid into the pension fund why should he not get what he bought into? If you start changing the rules of who can get what they paid for it will open all kinds of doors up.
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OJ Simpson lost the Civil Suit with the Goldman’s. OJ collects his NFL pension and lives off that money. I believe pensions are excluded from civil suits but not positive.
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Unions are the devil. This guy had 18 complaints and was still on the force. The unions saved his job so that a bad cop could stay on the job.
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I won't get into the Union dig, but will ask you why you feel his family isn't due a benefit? She's due half of it (for however long they were married while he was on the job). Doesn't mean the Floyds will get part of the Officer's portion. In the lawyers hands....

What if he had a 401k? He would be vested in a 401k given his years of service. A Google search revealed how much he was contributing from every paycheck to the pension plan the last two years...

https://mnpera.org/employers/reporti...ibution-rates/

Police and Fire

Effective Jan. 1, 2019, the contribution rates for the Police & Fire Plan will increase to amounts listed below. The increase is part of the legislation passed during the 2018 session with Employee and employer rates will increase by 1.0 percent and 1.5 percent respectively, phased in over a two-year period. Employee and employer rates will increase by 0.5 percent and .75 percent respectively as part of the phased increase from 2018 legislation with paid dates in 2019 regardless of the period wages were earned.
Employee 11.30% Employer 16.95%

Effective Jan. 1, 2020, the contribution rates for the Police & Fire Plan will increase. Employee and employer rates will increase by 0.5 percent and .75 percent respectively as part of the phased increase from 2018 legislation.


The only reason the media is saying anything is because it's a pension... and it's worth $1 million because that's what you'd have to have in a 401k for the interest payments to equal his monthly benefit. (You may know this, but others reading this thread may not)
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Originally Posted by ffmedic75 View Post
I won't get into the Union dig, but will ask you why you feel his family isn't due a benefit? She's due half of it (for however long they were married while he was on the job). Doesn't mean the Floyds will get part of the Officer's portion. In the lawyers hands....

What if he had a 401k? He would be vested in a 401k given his years of service. A Google search revealed how much he was contributing from every paycheck to the pension plan the last two years...

https://mnpera.org/employers/reporti...ibution-rates/

Police and Fire

Effective Jan. 1, 2019, the contribution rates for the Police & Fire Plan will increase to amounts listed below. The increase is part of the legislation passed during the 2018 session with Employee and employer rates will increase by 1.0 percent and 1.5 percent respectively, phased in over a two-year period. Employee and employer rates will increase by 0.5 percent and .75 percent respectively as part of the phased increase from 2018 legislation with paid dates in 2019 regardless of the period wages were earned.
Employee 11.30% Employer 16.95%

Effective Jan. 1, 2020, the contribution rates for the Police & Fire Plan will increase. Employee and employer rates will increase by 0.5 percent and .75 percent respectively as part of the phased increase from 2018 legislation.


The only reason the media is saying anything is because it's a pension... and it's worth $1 million because that's what you'd have to have in a 401k for the interest payments to equal his monthly benefit. (You may know this, but others reading this thread may not)


And it's more inflammatory if they describe it like that instead of just writing his yearly pension income.
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In the Baltimore Freddie Gray case, his family received $6.4 million w/o a case being brought to court.

https://www.theatlantic.com/national...lement/404191/
"The proposed settlement agreement going before the Board of Estimates should not be interpreted as a judgment on the guilt or innocence of the officers facing trial," Rawlings-Blake said. "This settlement is being proposed solely because it is in the best interest of the city, and avoids costly and protracted litigation that would only make it more difficult for our city to heal and potentially cost taxpayers many millions more in damages."


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Unions are the devil. This guy had 18 complaints and was still on the force. The unions saved his job so that a bad cop could stay on the job.
This. I didn't not know this at first and thought the protests were stupid, but honestly after finding this out I have to admit these people protesting have a point. I'm all for supporting our police officers but someone with that many complaints should have been forced into retirement years ago.

Just wish these protesters could see that. We dont need police reform, we need to abolish the unions that protect the bad ones. Imagine if thats what they were chanting, they could probably get a ton of support from suburban america.
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Originally Posted by Special K III View Post
Unions are the devil. This guy had 18 complaints and was still on the force. The unions saved his job so that a bad cop could stay on the job.
Yup, the unions own the police issues we are seeing right now.
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No public employee - local, state or federal - should be allowed to unionize. Period.
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Originally Posted by Special K III View Post
Unions are the devil. This guy had 18 complaints and was still on the force. The unions saved his job so that a bad cop could stay on the job.
I'm not defending this guy, but I'd be curious to know what constitutes a complaint. Unless it is excessive force, a lot of complaints could be trivial.
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No public employee - local, state or federal - should be allowed to unionize. Period.
In Texas it's almost that way - except for PD, FD, and Harris County (for some reason). I'd go one step further and say public employees shouldn't be able to vote. It's a clear conflict of interest to keep voting in the people who are growing government and increasing your pay. In many cities you cannot win a city council seat without FD and PD endorsement.
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Originally Posted by Special K III View Post
Unions are the devil. This guy had 18 complaints and was still on the force. The unions saved his job so that a bad cop could stay on the job.
I'm not defending this guy, but I'd be curious to know what constitutes a complaint. Unless it is excessive force, a lot of complaints could be trivial.
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Originally Posted by 25GradySailfish View Post
This. I didn't not know this at first and thought the protests were stupid, but honestly after finding this out I have to admit these people protesting have a point. I'm all for supporting our police officers but someone with that many complaints should have been forced into retirement years ago.

Just wish these protesters could see that. We dont need police reform, we need to abolish the unions that protect the bad ones. Imagine if thats what they were chanting, they could probably get a ton of support from suburban america.
My guess is that after serving as an officer for a number of years there may be many complaints that are simply unfounded or trivial. I don’t know the review process or evidentiary matter considered but even more the reason body cameras should be mandatory and some type of independent review board involved.
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I don't like unions and this cop is trash. But that does not mean that his retirement is available for theft.
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Originally Posted by BACKTOTHESEA View Post
My guess is that after serving as an officer for a number of years there may be many complaints that are simply unfounded or trivial. I don’t know the review process or evidentiary matter considered but even more the reason body cameras should be mandatory and some type of independent review board involved.
Probably, but it would be interesting to see his complaints compared to some of his peers who have spent a similar amount of time on the force. For instance if the average is 5 and he is at 18...trivial or not that's an outlier and something is wrong there. Now if the 18 is in line with the average then there isn't much of an argument.

I agree with the body cameras and independent review board.
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Originally Posted by 25GradySailfish View Post
Probably, but it would be interesting to see his complaints compared to some of his peers who have spent a similar amount of time on the force. For instance if the average is 5 and he is at 18...trivial or not that's an outlier and something is wrong there. Now if the 18 is in line with the average then there isn't much of an argument.
True. On the other hand, if the average is 25, then it’s not so bad. I don’t bits and pieces put out by the media.

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