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Old 06-10-2020, 10:19 AM
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Default Goodbye local Mug-Shot / Arrest pages!

Well, citizens are no longer able to see who in their community has been arrested. Apparently, it is prejudice to show photos of criminals.
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We have made an editorial decision to discontinue the publication of mugshot galleries, or mugshot photos that are not associated with a story or other editorial content, effective immediately. Mugshot galleries presented without context may feed into negative stereotypes and, in our editorial judgment, are of limited news value. Instead, we will focus on the best ways to inform our readers by providing relevant information that will keep our communities safe and continuing to cover crime, as well as the public safety system. This policy change does not impact the use of mugshots associated with articles or other editorial content.
Old 06-10-2020, 10:30 AM
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Now what am I supposed to look at during my post coffee dump each morning.......



never mind. Local paper from my hometown never disappoints. From today. Guess the offense.




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So your paper post mug shots of everyone arrested?

Maybe that's not such a bad idea. Friend was accused by an uber driver that he touch her inappropriately. He was arrested and the very next day she dropped the bogus claim. If he lived in your area what the hell would people think about him when he did nothing wrong.
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Yes, they have done that for years. Having lived here for 38 years, I see someone I know at least once per week (not necessarily a friend). Nice to know if your tenant, neighbor, co-worker, barber, mechanic, or baby-sitter is a drug addict, pervert, or thief. The information age! Except, availability of the info is controlled by "the people in charge".
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Originally Posted by fishingfun View Post
So your paper post mug shots of everyone arrested?

Maybe that's not such a bad idea. Friend was accused by an uber driver that he touch her inappropriately. He was arrested and the very next day she dropped the bogus claim. If he lived in your area what the hell would people think about him when he did nothing wrong.
The local news site in my small hometown uses some discretion. Here in Spartanburg, the Gannet affiliate, up until this week, published them all.
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I go both ways on this one but I will side with the lets not do this because it can really screw with some people's lives. I was reading a story where someone was arrested for coke due to a roadside test, this was on Live PD. He spent some time in jail for it to come back from the state lab as something else and he was released but his personal life was wrecked due to a $2 test and his face being everywhere.
Old 06-10-2020, 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by fishingfun View Post
So your paper post mug shots of everyone arrested?

Maybe that's not such a bad idea. Friend was accused by an uber driver that he touch her inappropriately. He was arrested and the very next day she dropped the bogus claim. If he lived in your area what the hell would people think about him when he did nothing wrong.
OK, but the vast majority of the arrests are legitimate. Besides, it was fun to post comments about their appearance - like the guy in photo above.
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You are all giving reasons different from the reason given by new outlet - namely, that showing photos of people is racist because you can see their skin color. Maybe they can just post the names. You can still see the photos at the jail site.
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I go both ways on this one but I will side with the lets not do this because it can really screw with some people's lives. I was reading a story where someone was arrested for coke due to a roadside test, this was on Live PD. He spent some time in jail for it to come back from the state lab as something else and he was released but his personal life was wrecked due to a $2 test and his face being everywhere.
Don't disagree some discretion is needed. But for repeat offenders.....should be game on. Counted the guy aboves various charges.

32 that I can find....in one county. And he lives near the county line, probably has more elsewhere.
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Does this mean the crime times newspaper is done?
it was always good for a few laughs. Unless you were in it I suppose.
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Originally Posted by Fish Haid View Post
OK, but the vast majority of the arrests are legitimate. Besides, it was fun to post comments about their appearance - like the guy in photo above.
Arrests and convictions are two different things. We tend to treat the arrested as if they are already guilty.
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Originally Posted by Fish Haid View Post
You are all giving reasons different from the reason given by new outlet - namely, that showing photos of people is racist because you can see their skin color. Maybe they can just post the names. You can still see the photos at the jail site.
I'm sorry that's far from what they said.

Mugshot galleries presented without context may feed into negative stereotypes

That could be anybody like my buddy who was arrested then the girl pretty much said she overreacted and charges were dropped. This guy owns a very large company and having his mug shot post in the paper would lead into a negative stereotype.
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Originally Posted by Lorne Greene View Post
Arrests and convictions are two different things. We tend to treat the arrested as if they are already guilty.
oh come on - you disagree that at least 90% of them are guilty?
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Originally Posted by Fish Haid View Post
oh come on - you disagree that at least 90% of them are guilty?
Before trial everyone is supposed to be presumed innocent.
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Originally Posted by Fish Haid View Post
oh come on - you disagree that at least 90% of them are guilty?
Honestly, I think our criminal justice system is a mess. I think when someone is arrested the DA piles on the heaviest charges they can hoping to avoid trial and plea them down. I do believe there are a lot of people in jail who took 3 years on a plea vs risking 40 years on trial conviction because they were scared. There are many well-documented cases. If you want to know how messed up the CJ system is just listen to season 3 of Serial or at least read the below.
shows Anna standing at the bar, as a man repeatedly gropes her. He slaps her behind seven times before Anna fights back, but not even physically yet. She just gets into his face. Another woman at the bar takes notice, but only of Anna’s aggression. Koenig notes she didn’t see the groping that led up to it.

It’s unclear which woman threw the first punch but a brawl breaks out. Koenig describes watching the footage and wincing when Anna gets stomped by the other woman. A police officer who was using the bar bathroom comes out during the fight and tries to break it up. In the heat of the moment, Anna punches him in the face. Koenig determines that Anna was swinging at everyone and everything as she was being defeated in the bar fight.

Of all the people in the bar that night, Anna was the only one detained. The woman who she was embroiled in the fight with fled after the officer showed up and the man who groped her was released by police after others in the bar vouched for him, claiming he would never do that to a woman.

So, Anna spends four days and is charged with a felony assault on a peace officer even though the officer she punched told her during her arrest he believed it was an accident and that he had no plans to file charges.

Anna’s defense attorney Russ Bensing tries unsuccessfully to get her charges dismissed. What’s the next best thing, according to him? A plea deal for a misdemeanor disorderly charge.

"In this county, innocence is a misdemeanor,” Bensing explains.

Anna has previous misdemeanor convictions, so, in Bensing’s way of thinking, what’s the big deal? Bensing says that if he tries to fight against the misdemeanor charge, he could be viewed as an “obstructionist” by his peers, someone who is “complicating things unnecessarily.”

“You don’t want to get a reputation for that,” Bensing says.

In fact, he calls Anna’s charge being downgraded to a misdemeanor an example of the system working despite admitting that his client shouldn’t have been charged in the first place.

Koenig doesn’t agree.

“This is what rankles me most about Anna’s case. The breeziness with which everyone [Bensing, the officer and prosecutors] is looking back on it now, clapping the dust off their hands and say that’s done. Small crime, small case, small punishment. All in proportion. Justice is served,” she says. “What they are not saying, maybe because they’re not seeing it, is the extent of Anna’s punishment [...] which was not small. It did not fit the crime.”

Koenig explains that Anna doesn’t live near the justice center. But, she had to make twenty trips to the center anyway, mostly for weekly drug tests seeing as she pleaded guilty. She also paid over $500 in court costs including reparation and a court special projects fund (fees that even Bensing couldn’t decipher) in addition to a $200 fine, plus a $500 to a bail bondsman to get out of jail. If she didn’t pay the $500 to get out of jail, Koenig says she could have been locked up for months.

Anna tells Koenig that it marked a rough year for her. Anna tears up talking about it and she blames herself, calling herself stupid for going to that bar in the first place.

Anna’s case isn’t extraordinary. In fact, it is representative for many defendants going through the legal system for minor offenses.

“Our criminal legal system routinely churns people through with little regard for their humanity. Every person we prosecute is a human being with value in our communities,” Ashley Hill, Deputy State's Attorney for Washington County, Vermont tells Oxygen.com after listening to the episode. “People charged with crimes have families and friends and are also our neighbors and, most importantly, fellow human beings.”

Koenig notes that a judge asked Bensing if Anna was related to a recently retired judge with the same last name and Bensing told Koenig that if she were, the charges would have been dismissed.

“Our current criminal legal system is unable to safely and successfully meet the needs of communities, victims, and offenders, and for years we have failed all interested parties in significant ways," Hill says. “Recognizing the trauma of the criminal legal process on every involved party is a relatively new concept.”

Hill added that victims are often revictimized by the criminal legal process. She said that often nothing is accomplished in criminal court even with a successful prosecution which offers them the support, services, or resolutions victims require or desire.

For Anna, justice was not served, Koenig feels.

Joseph Tully, a criminal lawyer from California agrees.

"This first episode of the new season reveals a basic truth that so many everyday citizens don’t know: what happened versus what is charged does not always meet up," he tells Oxygen.com. "It is not justice that is pursued, but conviction rates."

Koenig says that she notices a disturbing implication perminating the courthouse: “That we are not like them. The ones we arrest and punish, the ones with the stink. They are a slightly different species with senses dulled and toughened. They don’t feel pain or sorrow or joy or freedom or the loss of freedom the same way you or I would.”

She went on to state that this “little” case was not little for Anna.

“Anna didn’t feel the stress and outrage and shame of this case less than I would have,” Koenig admits. “I think she felt it more.”
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90% of all arrests lead to a plea bargain. People literally admit to things they didn’t do everyday in this country because they don’t want to go to trial and get hit with a mandatory minimum. 5% of the worlds population lives in America and we have 25% of the prisoners. You can’t even begin to argue that we are doing things correctly.
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Originally Posted by Ettatoufee View Post
90% of all arrests lead to a plea bargain. People literally admit to things they didn’t do everyday in this country because they don’t want to go to trial and get hit with a mandatory minimum. 5% of the worlds population lives in America and we have 25% of the prisoners. You can’t even begin to argue that we are doing things correctly.
Sure you can when you see rioters running through our streets attacking people and destroying property.
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Originally Posted by Seacat FL View Post
Sure you can when you see rioters running through our streets attacking people and destroying property.
That's actually evidence our legal system is NOT working properly.
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This is truly a shame. This is how I keep up on the goings on of my friends.
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Originally Posted by MSChE View Post
That's actually evidence our legal system is NOT working properly.
Yeah. They all need to be locked up for a long time.

Zero tolerance for rioters burning and looting. Simple really. We just need to enforce the law.

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