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Old 12-10-2006, 08:04 PM
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Anybody else having problems w/ the quality? It seems that a Toyota will run forever w/ little or no issues. I currently own 2 chevy's and a new ford f-250. The Tahoe has had constant problems since new(03) and the new truck has been back 3 times for minor things, but still a huge inconvenience. Do I just find the bad ones?
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Old 12-10-2006, 08:12 PM
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2004 Dodge 1500 no big problems and what small ones I did have were taken care of right away.

Toyota has there own problems, so does all the rest of the car builders, it jus like the Mercury verses Yamaha verses Johnson verses Nissan verses Honda verses Suzuki.

To repeat a joke I once heard: Us Americans might not be able to build a car, but if you ask them Japanese folks they'll tell you we can build one he!! of a bomb!
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Old 12-10-2006, 08:18 PM
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dont know much about cars but i have bought a few trucks the past 8 years.i put alot of miles on them so i have to get a new one every 3 years at witch time they have close to 200,000 miles.last 6 where chevy's and had no problems my ford is still kinda new no problems yet.now my cars have all been honda's 1 has,191,000 its a 91 accord,99 accord with 85,000 with no major problems.only air con. problems.
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Old 12-10-2006, 10:44 PM
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I have always tried to buy American. Every time, I say I won't do it again, but then, every time, I do it again. I have an 03 Tahoe, constant A/C problems. Now, it's making a wierd rattling noise near the engine. Haven't had it checked out yet. I have an 02 Yukon, same exact A/C problem. Other than that, they've been pretty good. Had an '01 Tahoe also, That one had a sunroof that leaked like a screen door on a submarine. Didn't learn my lesson though. Went back for more. Before that I had a Ford Explorer. That one used to lose power (yes, you got it right, LOSE POWER) as I was accellerating off a light or turn. Ford refused to fix it, despite the fact that they called it a "Common Known Problem" After fighting with them for months (I was just out of warranty when it finally got diagnosed, but had been complaining for months) they agreed to split cost with me 50/50. I gave up and accepted, but swore I would not buy another f'ing Ford as long as I live. Almost bought another Explorer in '03,instead of the Tahoe though. I am really not good at this ultimatum crap.
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Old 12-10-2006, 11:08 PM
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2002 Toyota Tundra. By far the worst Pickup I have ever owned. 2005 F250 PSD, best truck I've owned. Every brand has it's own set of problems.
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Old 12-10-2006, 11:14 PM
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Had an '04 Dodge Durango. After 8 months of A/C problems, transmission issues, brakes problems, and a constant front end vibration the dealer couldn't fix, all I can legally say is that "I don't own the vehicle anymore". I now have a '99 Toyota Land Cruiser with 101K+ miles that does everything better, and the best part--it's paid for.

I have tried to buy Amercian every time, but I just can't afford to be that patriotic anymore.
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Old 12-11-2006, 12:45 AM
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I've had relitive good luck with north american vehicles, but I've had great success with Honda and Nissan. The Misses will ALWAYS be in a Jap car and I can't wait till the Japs brings over their diesel.

The big three have so much to learn when it comes to building autos......that's why their sales are falling off of the chart!
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Old 12-11-2006, 06:33 AM
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I buy what I like at the time, brand loyalty with cars died in the 70's.......

Most of the time (thankfully), unless it's a brand new model, you can get feedback from owners on a forum somewhere. I almost bought a new Armada last spring when looking to upgrade from my 99 'hoe, what nice SUV... Went to a website and dropped that idea like a hot potato! Bought another Tahoe this time, couldn't be happier...
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Old 12-11-2006, 06:49 AM
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I went to trade my 04 2500 suburban 3 days age. I love the new ones. Current suburban has 38K and has been flawlessly maintained win synthetic oil and everything. I pain 48k for current suburban and the offered 19K trade. This dealer mind you is a dealer that I have bought numerous vehichles from. Needless to say, I did not trade. I think that if US automakes are reaching above 50K for their topline vehicles and if cost you close to 80 cents a mile to drive them they are in trouble. I'm gonna run current suburban to 100k before I even think about another. I also went to MB and BMW to see if they had any sort of vehicle that will pull and ride good. They don't. So I think I will get a nice MB or BMW vehicle (at least it will hold its value) and use suburban to pull boat. I hate buying foreign cars though, but I've heard that most of my suburban is not built in the US. So the bottom line I think is that US automakes are in trouble if they can't improve their resale and their answer to this is higher initial cost. Crazy. Oh yeah, 56K for loaded up 07 2500 suburban 4x4 with 502.
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Old 12-11-2006, 09:53 AM
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I had a 2002 Dakota 4.7, 5 speed, Quad cab.
The only issue I had was warped front brake rotors every 6-8k untill I bought aftermarkets.

My current truck is a 2005 Tacoma v-6, 6 speed, 4 door.
Many problems including, rear leaf squeeks, gas gage is all over the place, broken gas flip out door, wind noises, glove compartment door broke, paint chips, motor pullys squeek during rain storms.
Only good point is the resale value is good when I get rid of this junker.
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Old 12-11-2006, 12:23 PM
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Yes, there are good and bad with just about every brand. No one makes a perfect car and I don't think there are complete lemons out there either.
I do think the overall quality of Toyota and Honda is better than Detroit. While I think Detroit does have some decent cars, I would never buy a new American car as they get hit with big depreciation the first year. Honda and Toyota on the other hand, don't. Why is that? They make a better car and it is reflected in resale value.
I will gladly put 150-200k miles on an Accord. I won't even consider putting that many miles on a Ford or Chevy.
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I bought an 06' Accord at the beginning of 06'. The car was built in the US by US citizens. The engine was made in the US. 90% of the other parts were made in the US (I think the other 10% came from Mexico). The only thing that came from Japan was the transmission. What makes my Accord a foreign car?

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Gmack - 12/11/2006 12:43 PM

I bought an 06' Accord at the beginning of 06'. The car was built in the US by US citizens. The engine was made in the US. 90% of the other parts were made in the US (I think the other 10% came from Mexico). The only thing that came from Japan was the transmission. What makes my Accord a foreign car?

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The engineering, QA, and management philosophy. It's not the American worker that is the problem.

Oddly enough it was Dr. Edward Demming (American), who was shunned by Detroit, that taught the Japanese much of their management philosophy and QA principles. He taught them how to compete. If you ever get a chance pick up a book about him.
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Old 12-11-2006, 01:05 PM
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I bought a Mitsubishi Galant in 05 and really like the car. It is built here in the U.S. , the only parts imported are the engine and transmission ( japan ). Built by the U.A.W. !
Hottest selling Ford at the local dealer is the Fusion, built in Mexico on a Mazda platform.
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Old 12-11-2006, 01:21 PM
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KJS is right. Quality starts at the top. Honda and Toyota are pretty much built here in the good ole USA, but the overall quality of the car comes from the top management setting the quality bar at high levels and rewarding employees for reaching those levels. Detroit is getting better but they have a ways to go.

I don't remember the exact brands but I once read that a Camry (?) was more American than a Ford pick-up.
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Old 12-11-2006, 02:04 PM
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I've never bought a 'foreign' truck till the 06 Titan that replaced my 04 GMC HD in August. It's by far the best truck I've bought to date for myself.

The quality of the Detroit cars and trucks has gone downhill with the price tags heading up. True that once in a while they spit a good one off the assembly line, I don't care to spend 38-45 K on a pickup truck knowing just what a POS it's likely to be. The value of it certainly doesn't hang around for too long as you can see from the trade in numbers.

I figure that with the new one, loaded and driven off the lot for just less than 30 K, I'm already 5-7 K ahead of the game.
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Old 12-11-2006, 02:35 PM
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Recently one of my endeavors gave me inside exposure to the automotive industry - Honda quality vs GM quality.

The supply company which manufactures body parts for both GM and Honda gave me a real eye opener. The contract between the supply manufacture and Honda clearly states 2 (two) screw ups in 1 (one) year and the contract will be pulled without pause! Whereas with GM they just installed over 500 rejected parts from the supply manufacture on their Caddy line......so much for quality!

If I knew nothing else about the two auto makers, I know regardless of who is making the two vehicles and regardless of where they are made that my hard earned money would be going on Honda!
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I bought a Mitsubishi Galant in 05 and really like the car. It is built here in the U.S. , the only parts imported are the engine and transmission ( japan ). Built by the U.A.W. !
Hottest selling Ford at the local dealer is the Fusion, built in Mexico on a Mazda platform.
That’s pretty much the way it is now. Auto companies are international interests. There is no such thing as “an American car” … or a German car, or a Japanese car… Cars are made of parts from all over the world. Saw on TV that even the “made in America” Boeing 747 is made of parts from 50+ different countries.

I think we can say a car is engineered in America, or Japan, or Germany, or England, but the parts and assembly can happen anywhere. Fwiw, Honda is considered a mediocre quality of car in Japan. Toyota is considered a step up, and Nissan even better. Of those three I would have put Honda at the top of my list for quality. Maybe diff models?!?


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Old 12-11-2006, 03:05 PM
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Every vehicle I have ever owned has been of American Decent. I am presently on my 4'th. The least number of miles any of them have had when I sold them was 120k. My present 2001 Dakota has 106k on it, I have no plans of getting rid of it any time soon. With the exception of people who can get a tax write off on newer trucks, I see no point in trading every time one hits 20k. If you take care of them, and are even halfway mechanically inclined & have an understanding of what goes on in a vehicles drivetrain, & therefore know what not to do to them, it is easy to make any vehicle on the road last for quite some time.
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Old 12-11-2006, 03:22 PM
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Every vehicle I have ever owned has been of American Decent. I am presently on my 4'th. The least number of miles any of them have had when I sold them was 120k. My present 2001 Dakota has 106k on it, I have no plans of getting rid of it any time soon. With the exception of people who can get a tax write off on newer trucks, I see no point in trading every time one hits 20k. If you take care of them, and are even halfway mechanically inclined & have an understanding of what goes on in a vehicles drivetrain, & therefore know what not to do to them, it is easy to make any vehicle on the road last for quite some time.
I hear you and agree. I do the same thing. I normally get over 200,000 on my vehicles. I currently have a Chevy Blazer at 180k. I plan to keep it a while longer. The thing is, the repairs to keep in on the road after 100,000 miles is much much more than any foreign car I have ever had. There are items on it that just were not built to last much past 100k. Same with my wifes Dodge minivan. I would have just accepted these high mileage repairs as normal if it wasn't that I have owned some Japanese cars/trucks. In my experience there is a big difference when you get to higher mileage.
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