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Old 12-08-2006, 05:10 PM
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Photography question-- I am getting a digital SLR, my first. Any advice on camera/lens. Would prefer to stay under $2500

Thanks in advance--I'm strongly considering the Nikon D80 with Nikon kit 18-70 lens.
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i just bought the olypmus e 500 still trying to learn it but it is an awsome camera i got mine on ebay with 2 lenses for less than 500.00
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In that mid-level range you really can't go wrong with Nikon or Canon. Both are making image stabilizing lens and I would recommend one. Nikon’s new 18-200mm f3.5-5.6 VR is around $900. It is an excellent all-around lens; if you go on vacation and only take a single lens that is the one you want to take. The 18-200mm VR is only slightly larger than the 18-70mm VR. I'm sure Canon has a similar image stabilizing lens. If not this week then they will next week. It’s just that I am more familiar with Nikon product.

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0511/05...on18-200vr.asp

Btw, don’t know if it is important to you but you might want to see if the new Nikon WT-3A works with the camera you want. You may want it in the future. It is a wireless transmitter that can be used to batch download images and/or it allows the pix you take to be wi-fi’d to your laptop or a wi-fi access point on a network on the fly…I think. The WT-3A is catch-up wi-fi option for existing Nikon product. I have the WT-2A, works as I described with the newer Nikon camera. I think the WT-3A also has an Ethernet port on it. Anyways, if you are interested in that stuff you might want to look into wi-fi for whatever camera you get.



Edit: just thought of this, too… some Nikon cameras are setup to receive NMEA 183 sentences for incoming GPS data. Sony is making a GPS receiver that is only a little bigger than a tube of lipstick. If you want lat/lon and UMT data in your pix metafiles it’s an option, too.





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Old 12-09-2006, 05:19 PM
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Thanks a bunch eyeball, great info.
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Old 12-09-2006, 06:57 PM
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First I am Canon devotee so, I am not good with Nikon specs. That said, I would recommend also checking out the Canon Rebel XTI. Good ENTRY level camera with interchangeable lenses, best for the money though is the Canon 30D. A little more money, body $700-850, is a great body and you still have a great lens assortment to choose from. Based on your post, the 18-70 lens is a great wide angle lens and I do not think that a image stabilized lens in that range is a good use of funds. The 3.5 aperture will do you well in most shots. The 70-300 zoom you may want to think about a stabilized lens if you do a lot of shot like that. Canon has one around the 550 mark. Take care of the 18-200 zoom and check it's focal length. One I have was 6.9 feet. Does not sound like much till you go to use it. Was a real pain in the @$$. Sits on the shelf now for 2 years. It's on the side of most. Try and get the best aperture opening you can. A good benchmark, 18-70 F2.0 is around $800 or so. Nice lens but keeps you holding your wallet a bit longer. The one you are looking at is probably the F3.5, which is standard. Best to you in what ever you get.
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Old 12-09-2006, 10:18 PM
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Hey Liz – I was at Costco today, saw a Nikon D-80 kit I never heard of before for just under $1300. It includes the Nikon D-80, Nikkor 18-55mm zoom lens, Nikkor 55-200mm zoom lens, and a vinyl(?) Nikon camera bag. Pretty good deal for the price, well within your budget, too. He!!, it's only 1/2 of your budget!!!
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I would also recommend that you stay with thee manufacturer's lenses, the cheaper versions camera stores try to sell you to make a cheap package are OK but have some problems when you get serious or just little nit picky stuff that is hard to describe. Now the expensive after market lens are great and most are professional quality. That Costco package mentioned above, sounds great. I personally have a Cannon film camera with all the goodies, never used anymore and a Nikon Coolpix for travel pocket, and a Sony H2 and I love the Sony, not that is any better than others, but the 12X optical(about 400MM) in a small/lite package is great I do wish I had the next model up it has 8 mega pixels which is better but not really necessary for my needs. I may try and pick up a Cannon DSLR when the prices drop, so I can use my old lenses, but the old lenses are not trully digital ready and from what I have heard they work find except at extremes.
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I bought a 8meg Canon Rebel digital SLR last march for $1000 with a 18-70 lens. This is the same camera that I was gonna buy the previous Christmas for $1200! Because my regular SLR is a Canon (Rebel XT), I went the Canon route because I already had 3 zoom lenses. I am very pleased with the Canon. If I didn't already have the Canon lenses, I would have looked at Nikon which I have been told are very nice (some say nicer than Canon) as well.
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Old 12-19-2006, 04:23 PM
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The new sony at $800 seams like a great deal
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Old 12-19-2006, 04:39 PM
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Recommend the D200 if your budget allows. Being a pro sports/nature photog (mostly stringer & private contract work AP & Getty) in my spare time, I use the D2X & D2Xs & (still use the Fuji S2 Pro for portraits) bodies now (just a larger step up from the D200) --- The D200 is certainly one fabulous unit, however the D80 is good in its own right & unless you have lots of glass already, you might want to save some money for that. Nikon brand glass will cost you more than 3rd party, but I have at least half of Sigma HSM EX series pro glass with little to no problems including the super wide angle and the 120-300 f/2.8 for example. (great picks) - That D80 kit lens is great one and I use it alot even though I don't have a D70 or a D80 (it was originally part of the D70 kit) - nice range of shooting with that lens and still fast enough with AFS to keep up with most shooting.

Don't forget the flash/lighting side of the house and don't go cheap there either. Recommend the SB-800 or SB-600 as a starting point. Excellent Digital TTL and advanced lighting capabilities that will really make your shots kick. So, in closing D80 is good with kit lens, will need a cheap 50mm prime (Nikon) lens, maybe a MACRO lens, definately a 70-200 (either Nikon AF-S or Sigma EX HSM) or somewhere in the neighborhood. Watch the f/stop range of the glass. The higher the range or f/stop numbers (such as f4-f5.6+ instead of f/2.8) is important...I can go into that more if you need it.

Let me know if you have any questions. HTHs,
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There are lots of tests where Sigma EX glass outshines the original manufacturers lenses. Love my EX Glass.
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I was looking for christmas ideas and was looking at a Pentax k100. It looked comprable for a little less money. Do you guys have any experience with them?
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Comparable to what? The Pentax K100D is a decent unit if you already have some K-mount Pentax glass (such as for the classic K1000) --- Price point is good at ~$600 range, but to be honest the quality between the entry Nikon and Canon units are going to be quite different. In that range, I would consider one of my favorite DSLRs in my box for years, the Fuji S2 Pro (6 & 12MP simply fabulous DSLR) that is compatible with all standard Nikon mount lenses. To be honest, the drawback for the K100D will be the K-mount Pentax glass, the availability of support and support groups. Kinda reminds me a little of the Sigma SD9 camera, nice but a little too unique for its own good.

I would get a new or even used Nikon D70/D80 kit before going down the Pentax road, unless I already had the glass.
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I typed one to many zeros, it should have been the k10. I know little about DSLRs but was just starting to shop. It was more of a how about this then a recommendation. All of my existing lenses are mamiya screw mounts and I doubt that they are usable on anything digital.
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Yeah, so in this case, I would stick with something more "universal" both in terms of support and resale availability. Namely something Canon or Nikon. I am only familiar with the K100D but I will check on the K10 unit. DSLRs are great but you really need to think of it not just as a "camera" decision, but a "photography decision" as a DSLR has lots of extras to consider $$$ - such as flash units (dont even dream of using onboard flash with a DSLR, kinda of like using doughnut tires on your new car, not exactly how it was intended), macro to super-wide, to telephoto to super telephoto to make really good use of it. So much more consider but suffice it to say that I would stay with the Big 2 if I were u.

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Your right.. Us Sigma owners are as unique as the cameras... I just sold my SD10 for $1100.00 after two years of ownership and I am just waiting for the SD14 to hit B&H.... If Sigma never made the SD9 or SD10 I would most likely have a Nikon but let me just say I am glad they made the SD's

Looking at images from other cameras is hard these days... I (And many others) just see something completely different and special from the Foveon sensor.

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Oh, I agree, Stinger....I just wish I guess that I could use it....wish Sigma would have worked out a deal to use the standard F-mount Nikon (like Fuji did for the S2/S3 series) and it would have really pushed the envelope with its market appeal. Nothing wrong with the Sigma body, the Foveon similar to the S2 with its SuperCCD (hexagon pixel sensors) really captures a different and more authentic out of body JPG-straight (little postwork) image. Love, simply LOVE the Sigma glass. Of course I have my share of AF-S VR glass in the 400-600mm range for sports, but the 120-300, even the 100-300f4, the super wide 10, the TCs and the macros just cannot be beat. (in the EX HSM series of course)

Good to see a loyal Sigma guy around.... :D


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I am with you on the F Mount or even C Mount (a couple daring individuals have been converting certain C Mount lenses to fit the SD's and they do work since the pinout on the SD10 and SD9 is basically "Canon Format" though Sigma caught wind of this and the SD14 Pinouts have been changed and they also lost the outer bayonet on the mount so M42's won't be useable with the SD14 which is kind of a bummer but not a deal breaker since I don't own any M24 glass.

I would love to see an F Mount SD14 but for whatever reason Sigma is not going to do it. They are a family run company and they keep in touch with us Sigma users on a personal level, it's actually quite amazing how they communicate with the owners of the SD's.

It would also be nice if Sigma had the percapita to funnel into the SD like Canon and Nikon does for thier D-SLR's but I must say the new SD14 is going to be far more advanced than my SD10 the whole body has been redesigned as were most of the internals.

Love my 100/300 F4 EX And the 1.45 EX TC I usually have with me when using the big lens! Maybe someday I will get that 300-800 EX I've been lusting after

And I agree the Fuji is also another very unique camera and the image quality it produces is stellar, IMHO superior to the standard Bayer sensors in all the others.
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Couldn't have said it better myself, Stinger...You know your stuff and it shows. To be honest, I haven't looked at much of the Sigma SDxx bodies since the SD9 was introduced and the big talk about the Foveon was all of the rant and rave! I will have to check out the SD14 even if it is just for kicks. I will say that I am very pleased with the Nikon D2X and now the D2Xs (but I was happy with the D2HS and even have a D1X that still produces amazing pixel quality photos, good enough for 13x19s at just 4.1MP) --- so, the games go on, but the tools just keep getting better. Ain't life grand???

Well, have fun shooting & keep posting.
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It's nice to not get caught up in the Megapixel wars.. Sometimes more isn't always better, you know that...

I had one of my photos printed in large format at Photonika last year (at the Sigma booth) and my photo along with all the others looked fantastic, from a 3.45MP Camera (or 12 megasomethings) that's a long debate right there!

Before I bought my SD10 I shot the D100 which was a new model at that time and I was very pleased, I hear the D200 is also fantastic and there's no arguing with the D2H and D1X's... I was shooting at a large autoshow and had a very friendly guy come up and ask to shoot my SD10 he handed me his Cannon 1DS to fiddle with, it was nice too, very robust but the menu diving wasn't my cup of tea. I was shocked he loved my SD10, he wasn't the typical "Canon" owner but rather a Photographer and had many other cameras and appreciated them all, for different purposes.

That's the kind of people I love to chat with!

Check out this link: http://www.sigma-sd14.com/
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