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Old 05-07-2020, 05:17 AM
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So now that we found the leak from not having a shower pan installed when contractors remodeled house prior to us buying the home, how much do you think the cost will be? I like my plumber, but want to keep him honest. I don't have the time to go out for multiple bids. Wife is a nurse and is already stressed out enough without needing more. So what is involved is naturally second floor over garage (thankfully) taking out glass partition and door, removing floor tile and tile about 1 foot up on 4 sides, adding some concrete to floor, putting in pan, then retile floor and partial sides and reinstalling door and partition. I have some numbers in my head, but what do you guys think it would cost? And if it's too high, any recommendation for Palm Beach county area? Thanks so much.
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Sorry to hear. When we had to re-do our Cudjoe bathrooms (for the 2nd time) the costs were not separated. I do recall my plumber cost me 150 an hour for him+helper. We did all the tile in the new shower at the same time but don't have a per sq ft price. I removed the glass walls myself but had to hire a glass guy to reinstall since we needed to drill new holes into the new tile, I recall that was a couple of hours and they had me over a barrel, so about $400 for the glass install.

Not to rub salt in the wound, but how did it pass inspection the first time. I recall our inspector looking at the pan and doing a water test. Good luck.

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I had an entire tiled floor torn out of an 8'x11' bathroom, shower pan rebuilt, new membrane installed over entire floor to re-waterproof the shower pan and then tiled floor to ceiling in the shower and tub surround area (8"x6.5') for a total of $7,000. What you're talking about sounds like less work.
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Obviously this must have been done without a permit. Shower pans and water tests are a definite requirement in south Florida. Maybe you should have a long talk with your contractor and an attorney.
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Our inspector missed a lot of things. I kind of think it is also not worth an insurance claim cause I will be paying for it with increased rates.
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No way, $400. That sounds like a fair amount of work over a couple of days... I should vote $401... but someone will say $402, so I’m going to go with $1500. Thank you.
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They don't always do the water test. If they didn't install the pan, I wonder if they used drywall in the walls instead of durock or other cement board.
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I'll provide my guess as around $1500

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How would an inspector know if there is a shower pan? Without lifting up tile? Seems like not worth figuring out who did or a conversation with a lawyer, just get it fixed...
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Originally Posted by kennyboy View Post
Our inspector missed a lot of things. I kind of think it is also not worth an insurance claim cause I will be paying for it with increased rates.
good chance insurance would not cover it anyway. They will typically cover sudden water related events, but not damage that occurs over time. Coworker just went through this to the tune of about 30 grand on a custom bathroom that was built about 10 years ago. It had a membrane in the shower, but it only came up the wall about 6 inches. Fighting it out with the contractors but ability insurance now.
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It may be overkill, but i'd rip the whole shower out and start from scratch. You really don't want to be chasing leaks (and potential fungus) for the rest of your life. On my neighbor's house the contractor built a seat in the walk-in shower using plywood and tiling over. He ended up tearing the bathroom out and half the adjacent bedroom until he finally found the end of black mold.
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Originally Posted by H20Rat View Post
No way, $400. That sounds like a fair amount of work over a couple of days... I should vote $401... but someone will say $402, so I’m going to go with $1500. Thank you.
If that was aimed at me.....I may not have explained it properly. 400 was for the glass guy to come in and re-install the door and glass walls. Just one part of a bigger job.
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Was this a flip home? I fuggin hate flippers that DYI sub-par shit and sell glossy pieces of HGTV highlights. You should be able to sue flippers if they're work is crap even after an inspection and closing.
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I would want to tear the entire thing out to verify materials and waterproofing was done correctly.

Tearing out the base and going up a foot is great unless they stuck tile to sheetrock.

I would budget around 2k which will have a little fluff in case. I would not use a GC for this. I would do direct to a competent tile guy. Let him do the tear out, have a plumber install the new tile drain, and have the tile guy do his install. Trim out of the drain cover is easy.

Removing the shower door is pretty easy. If you are worried about reinstalling it, I am sure that a supplier will know who can put it back in. Figure 2-400 bucks for that depending on the complexity.
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Originally Posted by airbrush View Post
It may be overkill, but i'd rip the whole shower out and start from scratch. You really don't want to be chasing leaks (and potential fungus) for the rest of your life. On my neighbor's house the contractor built a seat in the walk-in shower using plywood and tiling over. He ended up tearing the bathroom out and half the adjacent bedroom until he finally found the end of black mold.
I agree 100%!
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How would an inspector know if there is a shower pan? Without lifting up tile? Seems like not worth figuring out who did or a conversation with a lawyer, just get it fixed...
Obviously, it's too late now. But how could it be missed while it was under construction? Unless there was no permit!
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You said they didn't install a pan but what exactly do you mean by this? There was no waterproofing membrane at all? What did they make the floor out of?

If they skipped that essential step, unfortunately I also think you should be ripping out the whole thing as I assume they did a terrible job on the rest of it. It isn't difficult, the hard part is finding the plumber and tile guy that you trust to do a decent job.
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Is your shower recessed into the floor?
I have ripped out plenty of shower bases that were recessed below slab and there was no vinyl or lead liner. Just sand or gravel.
Of course these were all 1 story, monolithic slab, recessed showers.

Just wondering.
If new, the building inspector should have seen it a number of times.
If existing, well not much recourse there.
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Not sure if you can link another website but, look at John Bridges - Tile your world to get an idea how it's supposed to be done. I put a fiberglass pan in my second floor just to avoid leaking problems.
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Code now requires the floor below the pan to be pitched to the drain so that no water sits on the pan.
You might check with your tile guys. A lot of them know how to put in the pans. And also theres the "Schluter" system.

I had a guy call me about a leak in the house he just bought. The previous owner cut out the old lead pan, then cut 5-6 layers of 1/4" backer board and nailed them down before tiling. No pan.

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