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Just saw this story on the news - while tragic, I'm not sure what to think. On one hand, all respect for doing what has to be a horrible job... On the other, sounds like she had a an unrealistic expectation of her role....

What does THT Think?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...tedly-n1193701
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People commit suicide everyday.
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Not going to make any friends like this, but suicide is the ultimate coward move. Sad a doctor couldn't get the help to deal.


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"A New York City emergency room doctor who was on the “front lines” of the fight against the coronavirus has died by suicide"

"Dr. Lorna Breen, 49, who worked at NewYork-Presbyterian Allen Hospital, was in Virginia when she died on Sunday"

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Sensational news sells. Yes it’s tragic but it happens to people every day in high pressure situations and when I read it the first thing that came to my mind was did she have mental health issues? Remember the crying nurse that was all over the news saying she was not provided with PPE which she was, she was also recovering from a mental breakdown and had only worked for like two days and was also a failed Instagram influencer.

It’s more hype to make a bigger deal out of Corona than it is.
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Originally Posted by badcrazy View Post
Just saw this story on the news - while tragic, I'm not sure what to think. On one hand, all respect for doing what has to be a horrible job... On the other, sounds like she had a an unrealistic expectation of her role....

What does THT Think?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...tedly-n1193701
Just so I make sure I got it right: she killed herself because she might die?
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Originally Posted by Qb1rdman View Post
"A New York City emergency room doctor who was on the “front lines” of the fight against the coronavirus has died by suicide"

"Dr. Lorna Breen, 49, who worked at NewYork-Presbyterian Allen Hospital, was in Virginia when she died on Sunday"

Perhaps you should learn more about the incident before posting something that implies something...

She wasn't an ER doc, she was an ER doc in charge of emergency medicine. She saw many horrific things. And got the virus herself. She was brought to Virginia by family and friends, then spent over two weeks in the hospital under psychiatric care. Got out, staying with sister, then took her own life.

While society "condemns the cowardice" of suicide, this front line worker saw horrors and could not cope, even with help.

Instead of posting crap on forums criticizing, perhaps we should all honor those putting their lives on the line for the rest of us. Very sad.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...-says-n1195656
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Obviously had some mental issues. I’m sure it will be counted as a Covid-19 death. RIP.
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Just plain sad, I couldn't imagine what she was going through and what brought her to that point.
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Originally Posted by rickboat View Post
Perhaps you should learn more about the incident before posting something that implies something...

She wasn't an ER doc, she was an ER doc in charge of emergency medicine. She saw many horrific things. And got the virus herself. She was brought to Virginia by family and friends, then spent over two weeks in the hospital under psychiatric care. Got out, staying with sister, then took her own life.

While society "condemns the cowardice" of suicide, this front line worker saw horrors and could not cope, even with help.

Instead of posting crap on forums criticizing, perhaps we should all honor those putting their lives on the line for the rest of us. Very sad.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...-says-n1195656
Assumptions on your part. Drink the Kool-aid
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Originally Posted by rickboat View Post
Perhaps you should learn more about the incident before posting something that implies something...

She wasn't an ER doc, she was an ER doc in charge of emergency medicine. She saw many horrific things. And got the virus herself. She was brought to Virginia by family and friends, then spent over two weeks in the hospital under psychiatric care. Got out, staying with sister, then took her own life.

While society "condemns the cowardice" of suicide, this front line worker saw horrors and could not cope, even with help.

Instead of posting crap on forums criticizing, perhaps we should all honor those putting their lives on the line for the rest of us. Very sad.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...-says-n1195656
I didn't post any opinions. I posted quotes from the article.
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Originally Posted by Qb1rdman View Post
I didn't post any opinions. I posted quotes from the article.
You bolded specific words. Why?

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Originally Posted by rickboat View Post
You bolded specific words. Why?
Is that a trick question?

OP asked what THT thinks and I wanted to tell him or her what I thought.
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While it is tragic for her family and loved ones, she had underlying mental issues. To me, having to care for battle field injuries are far worse. I'm surprised she made it through med school and residency. We had a family friend that was a orthopedic doctor and could not stand the sight of blood, so no surgeries. Not all Doctors have the guts for OR and Trama.
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Originally Posted by rickboat View Post
You bolded specific words. Why?
Why are trying to infer something?


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Everyone has a breaking point, RIP Doc, thank you for serving the patients with Corona19
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I'm sorry about any suicide. There's nothing heroic about committing suicide. (My condolences to her father who insists she is a Hero)
I think those that keep doing their jobs in the face of heavy work loads and trying circumstances are to be lauded. On any job.

Here's a little ditty about suicide in healthcare settings:
Male dentists hold the highest suicide rate at 8.02 percent. Female dentists hold the fourth highest suicide rate at 5.28 percent. Physicians (7.87 percent), pharmacists (7.19 percent) and nurses (6.56 percent) also hold suicide rates much higher than the national average.

So the next time you go to the dentist, call him/her a hero and give them a headline.


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Originally Posted by dssmith View Post
I'm sorry about any suicide. There's nothing heroic about committing suicide. (My condolences to her father who insists she is a Hero)
I think those that keep doing their jobs in the face of heavy work loads and trying circumstances are to be lauded. On any job.

Here's a little ditty about suicide in healthcare settings:
Male dentists hold the highest suicide rate at 8.02 percent. Female dentists hold the fourth highest suicide rate at 5.28 percent. Physicians (7.87 percent), pharmacists (7.19 percent) and nurses (6.56 percent) also hold suicide rates much higher than the national average.

So the next time you go to the dentist, call him/her a hero and give them a headline.
Like. Well said.
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There was a lot of pressure on her and she saw a lot of poopy outcomes, tough on anyone...
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This is a topic that is frequently discussed on Dockside Chat, and I presume also on other open forums where sharing of thoughts is encouraged. Talking about suicide and about resources to prevent suicide is crucial, and I applaud each of you who have found a positive solution to your concerns.

Risk of suicide is highly correlated with mood disorderssuch as Major Depression and Bipolar Disorder, as well as other mental health issues such as substance abuse. The highest predictor of suicide is a prior suicide attempt. According to the CDC:

Risk Factors
  • Family history of suicide
  • Family history of child maltreatment
  • Previous suicide attempt(s)
  • History of mental disorders, particularly clinical depression
  • History of alcohol and substance abuse
  • Feelings of hopelessness
  • Impulsive or aggressive tendencies
  • Cultural and religious beliefs (e.g., belief that suicide is noble resolution of a personal dilemma)
  • Local epidemics of suicide
  • Isolation, a feeling of being cut off from other people
  • Barriers to accessing mental health treatment
  • Loss (relational, social, work, or financial)
  • Physical illness
  • Easy access to lethal methods
  • Unwillingness to seek help because of the stigma attached to mental health and substance abuse disorders or to suicidal thoughts
Protective Factors
  • Effective clinical care for mental, physical, and substance abuse disorders
  • Easy access to a variety of clinical interventions and support for help seeking
  • Family and community support (connectedness)
  • Support from ongoing medical and mental health care relationships
  • Skills in problem solving, conflict resolution, and nonviolent ways of handling disputes
  • Cultural and religious beliefs that discourage suicide and support instincts for self-preservation
There is always help available! If suicide starts to become an option for you or someone else, reach out for help. Familiarize yourself with local resources (community mental health, mobile crisis response, crisis hotlines, VA services). Call 9-1-1 if needed, police are trained to help in this situation.

Take any threat of suicide seriously. Do not dismiss someone's threats of self harm or dare them to do it! [Yes, I have seen this, and the results are not pretty!]

Do not shy away from asking if someone is contemplating suicide. There is no research to suggest that asking about suicide will prompt someone to commit suicide. On the contrary, asking about it shows that you care and want to help. Ask politely, gently, but directly. ("I have been listening to the things you have been saying, and I care about you. I need to ask if you have been having thoughts about killing yourself. Please let me help you...").

In my role as a clinical psychologist, I have dealt with thousands of patients who have had suicidal ideation or prior suicide attempts, as well as thousands of family members and others affected by suicides of loved ones. I would not characterize suicide as "selfish," simply because I do not believe that people struggling with depression and suicidal ideation are able to contemplate the impact of the act upon others. Every single patient I have met who has survived an attempt has expressed regret about their act and the harm it caused to others. Those contemplating suicide, as well as those affected by suicide, need and deserve our compassion and support, not our scorn.

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